What to expect when you’re expecting (Pennsylvania primary results)

You know what we should look for in today’s Democratic Pennsylvania primary? News items telling us what to look for in today’s Democratic Pennsylvania primary. They seem to be everywhere.

The Washington Post’s Dan Balz highlights the “8 Questions About The Pennsylvania Primary.” The Politico’s Carrie Budoff Brown and Ken Vogel deliver the “Five things to watch in Pennsylvania.” At the Huffington Post, Seth Grahame-Smith tells us the “Ten Things to Remember on Tuesday Night.”

It’s like having multiple viewing guides for a major event. Given that the results are likely to be in line with expectations, it’s probably not entirely necessary.

I found Balz’s take on the conventional wisdom to be about right.

Conventional wisdom has taken such a beating in this campaign that setting expectations for today’s primary continues to confound the experts. The only thing everyone can agree on is that, given the makeup of Pennsylvania — an older population with a significant blue-collar constituency and a sizable proportion of Roman Catholics — Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton should win the popular vote. But as Democrat Matt Bennett put it, the candidates are like publicly-traded companies that need to hit an earnings target to lift their stock price.

But just what are the targets? Some say Clinton needs to win by 10 points — which was her margin in Ohio last month. Others say eight points. Some say, given the amount of money Sen. Barack Obama is spending on television ads, anything over five points would be a respectable victory for Clinton. Staying within five points would give Obama the opportunity to assert that he overcame a state whose demographics tilted heavily to Clinton.

But the margin in the popular vote ultimately will be secondary to how Pennsylvania affects the battle for pledged delegates. Pennsylvania is the biggest remaining prize on the calendar, with 158 pledged delegates. Clinton badly needs to make up ground in the delegate fight and, given the way they’re distributed, that could be difficult.

In the words of one Democratic strategist, the popular vote margin is a “feel-good barometer that may play out over a few days and longer if there is a big win, but then we will be on to the next contests. Ultimately, the second indicator [delegates] is more important and will have a longer effect because it is still the criteria we use to select a nominee.”

It’s odd how little has changed. Six weeks ago, Clinton was seen as the all-but certain winner in Pennsylvania; the only question was whether she’d win by single or double digits. Today, we’re still right where we were.

The Politico’s item also had some helpful angles to consider:

* Check for turnout at 1 p.m. “[The campaigns] will look first to Philadelphia, where a crush of voters early in the day will bode well for Obama and badly for Clinton since it will signal that he could win the big margin he needs to take out of the city. Plus, African Americans tend to go to the polls later in the day in Philadelphia, according to a city-based Democratic strategist, which means Obama can expect a late surge from voters who support him in disproportionately high numbers.

* Don’t be fooled by early results. “The cities and suburbs usually report their returns first, which gives the candidate favored in those areas a quick – and sometimes fleeting – lead. The conservative-leaning small towns through the center of the state usually filter in much later in the evening.”

* Follow the undecideds. “Voters who decide late usually go with the candidate who represents something new, potentially giving the edge to Obama. But in this Democratic primary season, voters who have decided in the last three days have more often broken in Clinton’s favor.”

* Watch these towns and neighborhoods. “While the campaigns are reluctant to disclose the places they will be looking at, here are some key precincts, wards and towns that unaffiliated Pennsylvania political strategists say they will be monitoring.”

* Key counties to keep an eye on. “Political analysts point to the 2002 Democratic gubernatorial primary between Ed Rendell and Bob Casey Jr. as the closest comparison to the match up between Obama and Clinton. Rendell won that closely contested race with a coalition of African Americans and upscale, highly educated white voters — a coalition like the one assembled by Obama. Casey focused on blue collar workers, union households, lower-income individuals and ethnic white voters — strikingly similar to Clinton’s base in Pennsylvania.”

Your guess is as good as mine. What are you expecting tonight?

Your guess is as good as mine. What are you expecting tonight?

Can I get back to you tomorrow? I’m never wrong on these things.

So many things you see in the newspaper have already happened. It’s refreshing to see them print future news.

  • Some say Clinton needs to win by 10 points — which was her margin in Ohio last month.

    Needs so she can do exactly what? Keep the myth of her campaign’s viability alive?

    One might as well suggest that she “needs” to carry Harrisburg, attract Unitarians or get five black guys who work in Company X to vote for her. All meaningless measurements that don’t change the reality that she’s done, and only her campaign, Republicans and the GOP-controlled media are pretending otherwise.

  • As Brian the talking dog wittily observed in an episode of Family Guy, “undecided voters are the biggest idiots on the planet.” How anyone with a pulse could have not made up their mind until today baffles me, though the same could be said of about a third of Democratic superdelegates.

  • Clinton needs to win by a margin of exactly 12% to be viable.

    Just kidding – I was merely psychologically preparing you to hear baseless assertions on cable news throughout the night.

  • How anyone with a pulse could have not made up their mind until today baffles me, though the same could be said of about a third of Democratic superdelegates.

    I think “coward” describes the latter group better than “idiot.” Most of the uncommitted superdelegates know they’re voting for Obama. They just don’t want to say so yet because they want to back the winner without risking anything and they don’t need the grief from the Clintons in the meantime. If you shoot at the king, you’d better not miss, and all that.

  • Wow, that spam about drugs might be the first time I’ve seen useful spam.

    After this primary season, we all need some heavy duty anti- anxiety drugs.

  • The way this race has been going it is hard to believe that anything will happen which brings it to an end. Therefore I assume Clinton will win by enough to make up a reason to remain in the race, but not enough to actually change the dynamics of the race. We will be in the same situation tomorrow–Clinton can’t win without a sudden change in the superdelegate trend towards Obama but she won’t leave the race?

    As for what percentage it will take for Clinton to say it is high enough to justify remaining in the race–that would be whatever percentage she happens to win by.

  • Follow the undecideds. “Voters who decide late usually go with the candidate who represents something new, potentially giving the edge to Obama. But in this Democratic primary season, voters who have decided in the last three days have more often broken in Clinton’s favor.”

    Spin. Spin. Spin. This is as bad as the MSM, although hardly surprising considering the so-called progressive blogs are so biased toward Obama that it’s become a joke, nay, pathetic.

    I don’t know which “undecideds” are being discussed here, but it certainly isn’t those in the last few primaries, who have broken almost universally for Clinton.

    Aw, that’s okay. Go back to your waffles.

  • So far turnout seems to be heavy, in Philly and elsewhere. IMHO undecideds will break evenly among Hillary, Obama and won’t vote. But I think his support is a bit understated because they are undersampling new voters and young/AA voters who will turn out in record numbers. Hillary is kept under 5%.

  • With the caveat that I have been wrong in the past, I think the talking heads and the pollsters are wrong, and Obama is going to win. I heard on the radio at lunch that they are having voting machine shortages in the predominantly black neighborhoods. Ohio anyone? Let’s hope for something better.

  • Hillary only needs a 1% win for her to consider herself viable. It gives her the “moral authority” to seek Superdelegates by making Obama unelectable. And that is precisely her strategy.

  • Ed–

    I hope you’re right. I think there is a very slim chance he’ll come out with a suprise win, however, with 325,000 “new” Dem voters you never know, it could happen.

  • One argument really bugs me:

    Obama needs to win the big states, battleground states, etc. in the primary to prove he will do well in the general election.

    What bugs me is that neither candidate could possibly win any state with only those who voted for them in the primary (or even an equal proportion, since more vote in the general for each party).

    But everyone seems to let this go by.

    Obama says: but any Democrat would win NY or CA… leaving the obvious argument right where it is most important: what happens in swing states.

    And the media seems to be totally blind to this fact as well.

    The actual fact is that in each general election for president, the race is between the candidates who won their primary. But one of them loses in the end. Pretty close to 50% of all those running for president have lost the general election after winning their primary. I know it is an obvious fact, when you put it that way, but it is a fact.

  • Mimikatz (#11),

    As much as I’d love for your prediction to come true (under 5%), I think it is going to be closer to 10%. Mabelle’s observation (#10) about which way late deciders turned during the last few contests is on the mark. In Texas, Ohio and now Pennsylvania, the undecideds have gone for Clinton.

    Of course, your point about young and African American voters being undersampled has merit too. It isn’t entirely out of the question that we could see an Obama surprise.

    I guess we’ll see in a few hours.

  • Mabelle– stop complaining and making petty, cranky remarks and go over to TalkLeft if you want to party with all the other Hillbots.

  • The per-district delegate count sure is putting a damper on any chance of a runaway win or a come-back charge.

    That’s good politics on Obama’s part, but it doesn’t make me feel as though it will translate into Progressive policies.

  • Obama needs to win the big states, battleground states, etc. in the primary to prove he will do well in the general election.– tomj
    We’ve all said this before, but they’re different games. You’re analyzing the results of the primary through the lens of the general. That’s like winning a game of poker based on the rules of blackjack.

    I don’t know which “undecideds” are being discussed here, but it certainly isn’t those in the last few primaries, who have broken almost universally for Clinton.– mabelle
    Did you read the second sentence that you quoted, right after the one you bolded?

  • Ultimately, the second indicator [delegates] is more important and will have a longer effect because it is still the criteria we use to select a nominee.

    Not if the Clintons can change the rules.

    “Electability” is what matters. Just ask Hillary and Bozo Bill. What you ask is “electibility?” Well… it’s a social variable having no substantial definition and no agreement on how it might even be quantified. Thus… it is totally capable of being manipulated for profit.

    In other words… it is snake oil.

    Worse.. in order to sell it you must make your fellow democrat “unelectable.”
    How do you do that? By running negative ads and destroying his character 24 hours a day and 7 days a week.

    This is what the Clinton campaign has devolved into. Enjoy these sad clowns while you can. Because the water hits the witch on June 2nd…

  • 10. mabelle said: so-called progressive blogs are so biased toward Obama that it’s become a joke, nay, pathetic.

    So you’re saying that true progressives should be supporting Hillary? On what planet do you live? The Clintons, and the DLC they propped up for years, are pretty much the definition of center-right Democrats. How many “progressive” accomplishments can you name from Bill Clinton’s 8 years in office?

    P.s. It’s okay to say liberal again. The Republican operatives like Limbaugh who spent years sliming the word have a wee credibility problem of their own after 7+ years supporting the most inept administration in world history.

  • Nice catch, Nautilator. It makes Mabelle the very definition of a Hillbot– she just manufactures tired, old arguments without really thinking them through.

  • Obama needs to win the big states, battleground states, etc. in the primary to prove he will do well in the general election.

    I keep hearing Hillary surrogates on the news today (Evan Bayh, Kiki somebody) stressing that talking point, but it’s pathetic. The big blue states are known as big blue states for a reason — they’re going to go Democratic no matter what. CA, NY, and IL are locked into our column no matter who we run. Kucinich could carry those three.

    As for the battleground states, there’s little difference. The giant Democratic machine in Pennsylvania, from Gov. Rendell through the major mayors, is behind Hillary in the intramural scrimmage, but when the real race is here, they’ll be behind whoever the nominee is and we’ll take Penn. In Ohio, both Dems are leading McCain; in Florida, both are trailing. I suspect we’ll take all three once the general is here and McCain’s ideas get full vetting. A third term of the most disliked president ever isn’t an easy case to make.

    The real difference seems to be in purple states — Colorado, Missouri, Oregon, Washington, Minnesota, etc. Obama’s been running stronger there, which gives us a better chance to win some of these states, or at the very least, help provide coattails for congressional and gubernatorial candidates. (Which explains the large edge he has from superdelegates from those states, I think. It’s self-interest, and maybe some pique over the Clinton campaign’s habit of dismissing their states as meaningless.)

  • Just ask Hillary and Bozo Bill. What you ask is “electibility?”

    This is just another set of lies and distractions, meant to prevent people from talking about the fact that a vote for shillary is nothing more than an approval of the criminal cabal behind bush-clinton-bush-clinton.

    They desperately need to prevent an honest dialog about why America would support 2 ruling elite families – figureheads for the neocons and military-industrial complex (oh which oil is a major component).

    Our choices are simple – NO BUSH-CLINTON-BUSH-CLINTON monarchy – America was never meant to be controlled by kings and queens.

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