When a once-great voice sees his reputation permanently tarnished

That Barack Obama’s detractors would play the race card against him in this election was never really in doubt. That one of the most blatant, racially-charged comments would come from Ralph Nader, however, comes as a bit of a surprise.

Ralph Nader’s presidential candidacy has received little media attention, but his latest critique of Barack Obama has come under fire for its seemingly racial overtones.

Speaking with Colorado’s Rocky Mountain News, Nader accused Obama of attempting to both “talk white” and appeal to “white guilt” in his quest to win the White House.

“There’s only one thing different about Barack Obama when it comes to being a Democratic presidential candidate. He’s half African-American,” Nader told the paper in comments published Tuesday. “Whether that will make any difference, I don’t know. I haven’t heard him have a strong crackdown on economic exploitation in the ghettos. Payday loans, predatory lending, asbestos, lead. What’s keeping him from doing that? Is it because he wants to talk white? He doesn’t want to appear like Jesse Jackson? …

“I mean, first of all, the number one thing that a black American politician aspiring to the presidency should be is to candidly describe the plight of the poor, especially in the inner cities and the rural areas, and have a very detailed platform about how the poor is going to be defended by the law, is going to be protected by the law, and is going to be liberated by the law,” he said. “Haven’t heard a thing [about poverty].”

When I think about how far Nader has fallen, and what a pathetic figure he’s become, it’s hard not to feel sorry for him. Nader was a champion, a liberal lion, and his efforts used to make a real difference in Americans’ daily lives. You know that seatbelt in your car? Nader helped put it there.

But Nader has decided to throw away his legacy. His reputation, diminished after every pointless presidential election (he’s in the midst of his fourth), has been deliberately squandered. Nader decided what he wanted, more than anything else, was to leave his enemies happy, his allies resentful, and his standing destroyed.

These “talk white” remarks were a new low.

Robert Gibbs, Obama’s communications director, called Nader’s attacks “reprehensible and basically delusional.”

Gibbs is right, of course, but I’d add a few things. First, the notion that Nader feels comfortable arguing that Obama’s race should dictate Obama’s talking points is ridiculous. To hear Nader tell it, Obama is black, so Obama should talk about poverty. It’s as if it never occurred to Nader to maybe think about how offensive this is before opening his mouth.

Second, Nader seems wildly oblivious to Obama’s actual record and policy agenda. In this reality, Nader is condemning Obama for failing to emphasize policies that Obama is already emphasizing. Yglesias noted Obama’s aggressive policies on cracking down on predatory lending and other forms of financial exploitation of the poor, and Obama’s lead abatement efforts. Nader should be praising Obama for this, but instead, he’s pretending this record/agenda doesn’t exist.

Indeed, Nader can’t imagine why Obama hasn’t offered “a very detailed platform” on poverty. That might be more compelling a point if Obama hadn’t already offered a very detailed platform on poverty. This is, by the way, more than we can say for Ralph Nader, who has offered vague platitudes and bumper-sticker slogans for his very thin anti-poverty policy (including “detailed” ideas such as, “Job Creation”). Steve M. added that Nader’s own campaign website makes no references to payday loans, no references to predatory lending, and no references to asbestos.

And while Obama is tackling the issues Nader claims to find important, John McCain is ignoring them altogether. Who does Nader decide to attack with racially-charged rhetoric? The candidate who’s emphasizing the issues he cares about, of course.

Nader concluded that he “hasn’t heard a thing” about these issues. And whose fault is that? Perhaps if Nader stopping whining and started listening he’d learn a bit about the very Obama agenda he’s attacking for no reason.

I will never understand what Ralph Nader is thinking, or what motivates him to become a narcissistic farce. I seriously doubt that he’s cashed in and keeps up his antics because he’s being financed by right-wing fat-cats who find him beneficial, but the end result is the same.

apparently another old man who doesn’t know how the googles intertubes work. I’d think a search on Obama’s record would’ve found info on all the issues Obama’s fought for that Nader claims he hasn’t.

  • Sorry, Ralph. This is not a Chris Rock movie. And besides, Barack isn’t talking white or black. He’s talking like a president. And we’ve all seen what happens when we have a president who can’t talk like one.

  • Nader hasn’t fallen; he’s been in a black pit from 2000 on. If we manage to pull the country back from right wing authoritarianism it’ll be despite Nader rather than with his help. He’ll have to improve a great deal before he achieves mere uselessness.

  • I don’t know who’s envy is more obvious: Rove’s envy of Obama’s coolness, or Nader’s of Obama’s ability to inspire a movement.

  • When I first saw this story, I thought that like Hillary, if he wants to get any airplay on TV, he has to attack Dems, and specifically Obama. But this accusation is beyond absurd. It’s, well, confusing.

  • Nader’s belief that Senator Obama should be focused first on issues affecting the black community betray 1) ignorance of Obama’s positions and votes on those issues, and 2) Nader’s desperation to be relevant. He’s a sad, delusional man, and deserves not one minute more of our attention.

  • I’m sure whatever Obama has done to help the poor will be dismissed by Nader as “insufficient”, but the fact that Nader’s campaign doesn’t even address the issues he’s attacking Obama for not addressing, that to me indicates that the man has imbibed too much of his own koolaid. He’s probably got a fresh pot of it pumped into his bubble every day by the same GOP creeps who have funded him for years. He’s a useful tool, although lately he’s getting dull.

    Probably what motivates him is his inner angst that he “could have been president” and that all the Democrats have dissed him for so long that he just hates them all.

  • I was thinking about that last night, how far Nader has fallen, and I compared it to what’s happened to John McCain, and then I realized that both are tired old men, hanging on when they should have let go some time ago, and moved on. Neither has any business running for the presidency. And both are further flawed in that they don’t realize this.

    As a senior, I can say it’s painful to admit that we’re past it in so many ways, but most of us do, and we find new and more suitable ground to cover, commensurate with our declining skills.

    Not so with Nader and McCain, and I fault them for that.

  • Everyone knows that the only person who can talk about race without being called a racist is Barack Obama. Here, Nader says that Obama’s only difference between himself and any other candidate is that he is half African and thus considers himself African American. He then points out that Obama’s race has seemingly had little influence on his policies. Nader is effectively saying that Obama’s race apparently has nothing to do with his platform. And that is construed as a racist comment?

    Nader is trying to differentiate himself as a candidate from Obama as another presidential candidate. He thinks poverty programs are a key difference. I agree that Obama did focus on activities relevant to his constituents while a state senator. He has not done so while in the U.S. Senate. Edwards’ beef against Obama was that he did not emphasize poverty as an issue and Obama supposedly promised Edwards he would do so, in exchange for his endorsement. Has he done so since then? I haven’t seen it, but then I’m sure Obama has the all right pretty words on his website, for what that’s worth.

    Clearly, Obama feels the need to run against Nader. That his first salvo is to call the guy a racist (via surrogates and the internet) doesn’t surprise me at all. There is an article over at HuffPo about how Bill Clinton’s feelings are still hurt about being called a racist by Obama, to the point that he wishes to hear a personal apology from Obama before he will campaing actively for him — one that is not forthcoming, according to the article. Seems to me Nader is in good company on this one.

  • In regard to hark’s comments @ #8 – I’ve been wondering about the age demographic for McCain’s supporters. My Mom (80) and my Mother-in-law (84) both say they think McCain sounds like a dotty old man, and they should know. If Seniors aren’t voting for him because of his age, wouldn’t that be interesting to know? Retired people are pretty good judges on when other folks need to retire, aren’t they?

  • Mary, your complaining is getting old. And if you don’t think what Nader said is racist you should head to redstate.com where you’d fit in better.

  • I think comment 4 is closer to the truth. Barack has done what many 3rd party candidates and insurgent candidates have long dreamed of doing. Taking on the establishment and pulling out an upset.

    The difference is that Obama took advantage of internet fundraising and developed an amazing organization unseen in American poltics. Despite the fervor of supporters of Ron Paul and Ralph Nader they never had the organization, communication and the skills of the team that Obama put together.

    I think that Ralph believes that it should have been him. He’s like many others who think that being “right” and force of will/ambition enough, not the actual building of an organization of smart folks with the necessary skills and experience.

  • Steve M. added that Nader’s own campaign website make no references to payday loans, no references to predatory lending, and no references to asbestos.

    Joke’s on you, Steve. You didn’t get it. Guy can’t raise these issues. He’s white, for cryin’ out loud.

  • Ralph Nader is Arab, not white. He’s still acting like a meat popsicle though.

  • I’ve never much liked Nader, but I have to give him credit here for being the only liberal to point out the obvious racism of Obama’s campaign.

    You’d think liberals would be against racist campaigns, but I guess they’re OK sometimes.

  • 15.
    On June 26th, 2008 at 10:17 am, orange said:

    “I’ve never much liked Nader, but I have to give him credit here for being the only liberal to point out the obvious racism of Obama’s campaign.”

    “You’d think liberals would be against racist campaigns, but I guess they’re OK sometimes.”

    Ohhh man! Orange! Your zipper’s down and your stupidity is like hanging out. Yuck. You better not leave the house like that.

    Examples Orange? Or just example. 1. That’s all. What have you got?

  • I agree with your post, but although Nader was once heroic, you may be giving him too much credit as to seatbelts. An article in the New Yorker a couple of years ago explained that Nader opposed mandatory seat belt laws because he was convinced they were not practical and, worse, were just a way to let the car makers off the hook. He wanted mandatory rules imposed on the car makers. Regardless of the merits of his idea, he was clearly wrong on the first point. He has had a knack for being wrong for awhile, it seems. Obviously he is now lost in his own ego and is simply unable to face the consequences of his irresponsible 2000 campaign. Lord knows he’s right that there’s not enough difference between the parties, but . . . . Well, we now know what a difference one presidential election can make, huh?

  • Nader became a hemorhoid in the 2000 Presential election. This election consider the votes he will garner, he will become merely a shrunken hemorhoid.

  • Clearly, Obama feels the need to run against Nader.

    I think you got this backwards. Nader’s an annoying irrelevancy and Obama is the favorite to be the next president. Obama feels no needs of any kind relating to Nader. Nader, OTOH, is desperately trying to raise his public profile (again) by attacking the guy most likely to benefit the interests Nader professes to believe in.

  • Nader is effectively saying that Obama’s race apparently has nothing to do with his platform. -Mary

    Yeah, and all Imus said was a few of the Rutger’s players needed to wash their hair.

    You’ve been listening to another episode of ‘Absolve the Racism,’ with your host and resident racist, Mary!

  • Nader keeps running because he doesn’t want to accept the blame for Boy George II being President for the last seven years, and all the damage that has done to America.

    He is a small man, in every important way.

  • I wonder what Nader would say if someone not with of Arabic heritage argued that Nader should focus his campaign on the Mid-east because he’s of Arab descent, or suggested that Nader shies away from talking about the Mideast because he’s Arab-American.
    BTW, formally Arabs are count as Caucasian. Among the Arabs and Arab-Americans I’ve known, many consider themselves white and none consider themselves black or Asian.

  • This election season has been marred by once-respected figures willfully, hostilely, bitterly trashing their own legacies through racist or thoroughly racially tone-deaf remarks they thought they could get away with: Bill Clinton, Geraldine Ferraro, Ralph Nader.

    And not one of them gets it. Watch–Nader getting called on this will send him, like the other two, into paroxysms of resentment that someone pushed back against this bullshit. For folks like this, it’s never their own idiocy that’s the problem; it’s the people who point it out. Hey, you used to be able to say this stuff, white person to white person, and everyone understood, you know? When did America betray them by changing the rules? Not fair!

  • I don’t feel sorry for this criminal moron at all. He moved from Naive Idiot to Compleat Fool right in front of us all. He hit is Peter Principle level of incompetency shortly after the publication of “Unsafe At Any Speed” (which is actually not true for a Corvair that’s been fixed – the criminal act was not fixing it before putting it on the road, said as someone who had the belt break and fly off while driving).

  • While I agree that Ralph Nader put his foot in his mouth in a big way in this interview, I don’t think it is right to dismiss his remarkable legacy over the past 40 years (though he could care less about a legacy). Ralph Nader has brought us a lot more than seatbelts. Nader, and his raiders, have been instrumental in planting the seeds of today’s progressive politics – from promoting safeguards for environmental protections, to promoting motor safety, to fighting corporate crime, and to promoting citizen-driven politics. Ralph Nader ran for president in 2000, 2004, is running again this year because the rules haven’t changed since Reagan was president. Corporations still drive policy, corporations still control BOTH the Democrat and Republican parties.

    Contrary to the assumption that Ralph Nader is an egomaniac, he is a man who is willing to drag his own name through the mud in order to get an earnest and desperate message out to the masses. Nader doesn’t want to be president – he wants to ensure a role for citizens in politics. The day that we see Nader welcomed at the Capitol, and in the White House, to speak to the issues, is the day that we can feel reassured that we are once again electing a government that is for the people, by the people, and of the people.

  • BTW, formally Arabs are count as Caucasian. Among the Arabs and Arab-Americans I’ve known, many consider themselves white and none consider themselves black or Asian.

    There has been a split in this view of Arabs by western countries for a long time. Early on, Arab Christians were deemed “White” by Australia, Canada, and New Zealand, while Arab Muslims were not considered “White” for the purposes of immigration.

    I don’t know too many Arabs (and I know a good many, having studied some Arabic in university and having travelled in the region) that consider themselves “Caucasian”. Most see themselves as semitic people, most broadly, but generally as “Arab”. I have met well over one hundred black Arabs.

  • Contrary to the assumption that Ralph Nader is an egomaniac … he wants to ensure a role for citizens in politics.

    If that were true, he would have kept his promise to help build the Green Party.

    It’s all about Ralph for Ralph.

    It is perfectly possible to support many, most or all of Nader’s positions while also recognizing that he’s a childish egomaniac with strong biases of his own. Your credibility suffers when you attribute to him a heroism he has definitively demonstrated that he lacks.

  • Nader and McCain have been mutually supportive for a good long while. It doesn’t surprise me at all to see him training his fire not only on the Democrat, but the most progressive, least corporate-whorish Democrat we’ve seen at the national level in a generation.

    I never would have guessed that John Kerry would stand as the least embarrassing presidential vote I’ve cast, but the astonishing narcissism of Bill Clinton and Ralph Nader in the face of a true transformational figure like Obama has made it so. Even after his disgraceful action on FISA, this guy dwarfs those two sad old men.

  • What I find most disturbing about Nader’s outburst, and similarly Geraldine Ferraro’s, is in wondering how much of that iceberg lies below the surface – the “liberal” seniors who lived most of their lives in a millieu of hard racism followed by casual racism. I think that is a pretty hard demographic for Obama to crack, and he’d better hope McCain acts pretty damned dotty.

  • 9. On June 26th, 2008 at 9:54 am, Mary said:
    “Everyone knows that the only person who can talk about race without being called a racist is Barack Obama. ”

    Brrrrr…did it just get chillingly stupid in here. Here, sweetie, let me fix your obviously gross errror.

    9. On June 26th, 2008 at 9:54 am, Mary said:
    Everyone knows that the only people who can talk about the only person who can talk about race without being called a racist is Barack Obama, are racists.

    YOU’RE WELCOME, BLACK HOLE MARY!!!

  • a true transformational figure like Obama

    Yep, he’s transforming right in front of our eyes. I thought the title of this post referred to Obama.

  • Ralph Nader has been, for at least four years, probably eight, a wholly owned subsidiary of the GOP. They finance him and they encourage him. So why anybody finds it surprising that he would carry their water yet again amazes me.

  • I doubt Nader intended any racism by his remarks but why he directed comments toward Obama rather than McCain is boggling. Nader never intends to be president. He only runs so he can get a platform for his issues and I for one will respect his life long efforts but will criticize him when he spouts bullshit such as now on Obama.

    What exactly is “talk white” supposed to mean. Not talking like Jesse Jackson is just not talking like Jesse Jackson but doesn’t translate to “talking white”. It’s absurd and really doesn’t make a whole lot of sense. Is Nader just frustrated that he doesn’t feel the national discussion is focused enough on poverty? That part I can swallow but why blame Obama when he is one of the few people addressing the issue?

    But this, Steve, is what YOU have decided not Nader and is totally a matter of opinion:
    “…But Nader has decided to throw away his legacy. His reputation, diminished after every pointless presidential election (he’s in the midst of his fourth), has been deliberately squandered. Nader decided what he wanted, more than anything else, was to leave his enemies happy, his allies resentful, and his standing destroyed…”

    Pointless presidential election??? You really don’t like him do ya’? He’s still 10X better than Lieberman and a mile above Lindsey Graham and at least on the FISA bill he’s right about no difference between the Republican party and dem party ‘leaders’ (majority of House dems voted against this capitulation) Overall his comments are better than the comments we normally get from these people on a regular basis. Compared to them he’s 10 and 2 so to speak

  • Nader is a lazy, deluded publicity hog. He pops up every four years to put his name on the ballot and in between does nothing. Zero. Nada. He is a helpless fool and the sooner he gets shuffled off to a rest home in Buffalo or wherever the better off the world will be.

  • Jesus, was this Ralph Nader or David Duke? I don’t feel sorry for him particularly, but there is such sadness. This man was once a figure with so much potential to push meaningful progressive reform, reduced to babbling inanities in front of any camera that will focus on him. It is an ugly spectacle.

  • Arrgh, Nader bashing is so chic these days. I expect that kind of verbal vomit from the village claptraps, but…

    Let me ask – would Ralph have sold out his nation or his base, by supporting the evisceration of the Bill of Rights? (Re: The AT&T Amnesty & 4th amendment free, eveasdropping Act). I think not, and his reputation ought to be enhanced for shining a light on the increasingly obvious fact that we have been Lobamatized by phony promises to be a significant agent of change.
    And, where is BO on these matters of payday loans, predatory lending, asbestos, lead. I’d like to add what’s his plan for taming the racist, oppressive police forces whose armed thugs commute from their walled communities to militarily occupy our cities… and who have filled US prisons with millions of Thought & Poverty Felons.

    BO has now established that he will not defend the constitution, will not end the war in Irak, has given lip service to Health Care, and will likely change little if anything except the names of the patronage job holders..
    Whatever his true reasons for wanting the pres, we won’t know till much later. Let’s hope that after getting ~90% of the black vote he doesn’t compromise on repeal of the 13th.

    Meanwhile the Planet is preparing a Roast for it’s Inhabitants.

  • Yes, and you entirely ignored the part of my post where I pointed out that John Edwards said the same thing about Barack Obama as Nader has. That well-known racist, John Edwards. But all you have to do to be called a racist here is to be against Obama — doesn’t matter what your reasons are or whether they have anthing whatsoever to do with race. You’re a racist Republican if you disagree with doubtful, Maria, TR, any of the Obama faithful.

    I hadn’t realized that Nader is arabic. He has probably faced as much discrimination on that score as Obama ever has.

    On another topic — why does Obama keep saying he was raised by a single mother and his grandparents when he clearly has a stepfather and several half-siblings? Did that happen after he was already out of the family home? Perhaps someone who has read his autobiography can enlighten me about that?

  • I just wish this country would be able to get past skin color at some point. Obama is “half white” as well, why don’t we hear that when others make their so called talking points? Well, because the man has more melanin in his skin! For shame! I am also getting pretty irritated with the “white guilt” crud. Gimme a break. It’s that all they got?

  • Sorry for the double post, but I did want to point out that this “talk white” thing happens in every race. My husband, who is Hispanic, gets it from his family. He went to college, therefore wants to be white. He learns an instrument, wants to be white. Heck he has been called “white wash” for dressing certain ways, and for basically being successful. On the white side though, he is hispanic through and through, regardless of success. Must be one of those mexicans who broke the border. Yes, we have heard that as well. I’m sure there are many African Americans that think Obama is too “white” (read educated and successful and too light skinned) to be considered African American, and he is too dark to be considered white. How is he to placate them all? He shouldn’t even try. To play that game would be to stoop to the ignorant.

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