When all else fails, Republicans still have divisive, wedge, identity politics

A common complaint in Republican circles right now is that the McCain campaign seems direction-less. Sure, McCain is attacking Obama, but it’s scattershot and knee-jerk — there doesn’t seem to be any kind of theme or narrative. Now that Rove’s team is heading up McCain’s operation, that’s likely to change, but in the meantime, McCain isn’t making anyone happy.

Fox News contributor and Weekly Standard editor Fred Barnes has some advice on what McCain can do to get ahead: bash gays and make right-wing activists happy.

“[H]e needs to touch on some of the social issues which energize the right,” Barnes said. “In particular, gays in the military for one. We know Barack Obama is for allowing gays in the military, and Bill Clinton tried to do, but backed off. This is not a popular issue. Gay marriage is another one. These are both issues that I think McCain’s going to have to use. You can’t ignore the right. If he does, he’ll lose.”

A few angles jump out here. First, as a factual matter, Barnes is mistaken when he suggests popular opinion is in line with a far-right worldview. It’s hard to tell from context, but Barnes seems to believe polls show general opposition to allowing otherwise-capable gay volunteers to serve in the military during a war. Reality shows otherwise. As Matt Corley explained, “Polling consistently finds that the public supports allowing openly-gay people to serve in the military. In fact, that support is growing even stronger with time.”

Second, of course, is the sad commentary on what Barnes thinks of his fellow conservatives. How do you get people to vote against their self interests and the needs of the nation? You invest energy and resources into telling them that gay people are bad. It’s just so tiresome and hackneyed, like the conservative movement itself.

And finally, Barnes’ advice, while foolish and misguided, is nevertheless a reminder that McCain may actually end up embracing the divisive style of politics Barnes recommends.

Indeed, Barnes’ advice is well timed — the very weekend in which Jesse Helms dies, Barnes believes McCain will lose unless he pits one group of Americans against a minority conservatives don’t like.

And why is this a distinct possibility? Because the same conservative Republican strategist who helped shape Jesse Helms’ divisive campaigns is now the lead strategist for John McCain’s campaign. Harry Siegel explains that it was Charlie Black who was there to guide the racist campaign of a racist candidate.

Black And Helms Used “Racist Appeals” To Win. Politics reporter Bill Peterson wrote in the Washington Post, “Lesson: A vicious new electronic form of negative politics has evolved and matured. And it is frightening. It is a politics of distortion, half truths and character assassination. Ends are used to justify means. Truth often takes a back seat. … Helms and the National Congressional Club, a political action committee run by his allies, had used negative advertising long before the Senate race began. … Racial epithets and standing in school doors is no longer fashionable, but 1984 proved that the ugly politics of race are alive and well. Helms is their master. A case in point was the pivotal event of the campaign: Helms’ filibuster against a bill making the birthday of the late Martin Luther King Jr. a national holiday. … Helms campaign literature sounded a drumbeat of warnings about black voter-registration drives. His campaign newspaper featured photographs of Hunt [his opponent] with Jesse L. Jackson and headlines like ‘Black Voter Registration Rises Sharply’ and ‘Hunt Urges More Minority Registration.’ Helms shamelessly mined the race issue.” [Peterson, Washington Post, 11/18/84]

1990: Black Advised Jesse Helms. As He Ran Controversial “Hands” Ad Against Black Candidate. Newsday reported that Helms, “through a series of blistering advertisements unleashed just days before, had beckoned the long-simmering issue of race to the surface of this senatorial contest. In doing so, Helms had hurled the campaign into its most bitter and acrimonious phase to date, namely by labeling his opponent, falsely, an advocate of racial job quotas and accusing him of conducting a ‘secret campaign’ in the black community. … On the television commercial, the camera zones in on a white man’s hands, crumpling what apparently is a job rejection letter. The announcer then intones: ‘You needed that job and you were the best qualified. But they had to give it to a minority because of a racial quota. Is that really fair? Harvey Gantt says it is,’ the message continues. ‘Gantt supports Ted Kennedy’s racial quota law that makes the color of your skin more important than your qualifications.'” Black, an adviser to the campaign and a consultant for the Congressional Club – Helms’s political machine – insisted the race would come down to turnout: “‘What it’s going to come down to is turnout,’ said Charles Black, chairman of the Republican National Committee and a Helms adviser. ‘It’s, no question, the biggest challenge at this point.'” [Newsday, 11/4/90]

Black Defended “Hands Ad.” Black defended Helms’s “Hands” television ad, which featured white hands crumpling a job rejection letter and linking Helms’s black opponent to racial job quotas. Asked about the ad on the MacNeil/Lehrer Newshour, Black said, “Well there is nothing racial about the campaign.” When asked if there was anything improper about the ad, Black said, “Of course not.” Another guest on the show, DNC Chairman Ron Brown, pressed Black again, saying, “You are a principal adviser of Jesse Helms. Would you advise him to run that kind of ad, Charlie? Do you approve of that ad, Charlie?” Black responded, “I advised Jesse Helms to do what he’s always done.” [MacNeil/Lehrer Newshour, 11/5/90]

Given this, would it be especially surprising if the McCain campaign — led by Jesse Helms’ strategist and Karl Rove’s former team — chose to pit Americans against one another, in the hopes it would pay political dividends?

Well, give ’em a little credit: it has worked for 40 years. “Vote for us — we hate the same people you hate.” The problem now is, the “people you hate” are likely to be… Republicans.

  • Luckily for Republicans, angry people don’t respond well to logic. That way it’s easier to get them to vote against their best interests. It’s worked well enough for them in the past, and with an African-American candidate, the race button will be that much easier to push.

  • Jeez, I can’t wait till we scrub these assholes from our politics and our government.

  • I don’t know when Black hooked up with Helms, but Helms used divisiveness from his first race against Nick Gallifianakis — whose name Helms used, with great success, to show he ‘wasn’t one of us.’ When I heard of the world becoming Helmsfree, I had to wonder what ‘delight’ he would have had with our candidate’s name. However, I have to think that this sort of campaigning might be — in its most blatant form — as obsolete as Smathers’ famous ‘thespian’ speech.

  • You know, this “strategy” links really nicely with another aspect of the craps game: the way craps looks to the uninitiated, such as myself, i.e. a mindless repetition of the same movement with the hope that you get lucky several times in a row. Which hope, I must add, is based on the now-famous “gut feeling” as opposed to, you know, facts.

    While my conversations with my ultra-conservative Eastern European immigrant family members tell me that certain people will believe what they want to believe no matter the facts, I take heart in the fact that every day the numbers of such people shrink. (There’s hope for them already: they acknowledge that Bush is an idiot and Cheney is evil. They try not to talk about McCain, theirs is a vote not for him, but (stubbornly) against the damn liberals who are electing one of “those blacks” to be President. Heck, if the Republicans are losing my uncle, they lost America, folks.)

  • It’s all they have. Smear, divide, lie unchallenged, fear monger and cheat. For the past 7 yrs it has been demonstrated that the press not only ran a military propaganda campaign but pushed lies supporting government’s illegal actions. I only hope the public will realize what has already been done and stop paying any attention to the media’s divide and smear propaganda because it is what the Rove/Black team count on…media complicity and Nazi like unison to push their agenda.

    These repukes act like “most Americans” agree with them despite the results of poll after poll stating just the opposite. Hopefully Americans will be smarter than the propaganda we are being fed on a daily basis. A corporate republican owned media will naturally push a corporate republican agenda.

    Few people consider the Rove/Black team having any integrity. Their dirty tricks reputation makes them an insult to the campaign process yet here the same garbage that stinks to high heaven is preparing to churn it out again proving that those republicans supporting their involvement are shameless. If a civil war would get them in office they would attempt to instigate one. Just pathetic.

  • btw…Does anyone remember the actual “words” used against Kerry when swiftboating him. “He cannot be trusted…He dishonored America… He is a liar and a traitor to his country…etc” from the swiftboat ad? The men who actually witnessed Kerry getting his ‘second’ purple heart state they could not get on the air to refute those lies. One eye witness was approached by a military cadet who actually asked if he was worried about going to jail for making up the swiftboat story to get Kerry a purple heart. What an insult.

    Compare this to how the press presented Clark’s remarks on McCain.

    I would like to see the remarks side by side along with the press’ reaction. It is shameful and the worst of media complicity in slurring a candidate and his military service and here is McCain making them a part of his campaign. That is enough to never trust the MSM again…or ever forgive their ruthless complicity.

  • Damn! You’ve revealed the Republicans Secret Weapon! This type of irresponsible journalism is a threat to national security! Next you’ll be revealing the secret plan to bomb Iran in October…uh, oh, dammit!

  • I just don’t understand why the media ignores the POW/MIA families that can tell the truth about McCain’s war record, it is so well know throughout the Viet Nam veteran community, especially those who were POW’s at the time.They can all tell his nickname was ‘songbird’ and how he gave information to the North Vietnamese that led to a high casualty rate, both for the US military and lossof aircraft. These videos are on youtube, they are being ignored by the media, it seems like the media has a bias.

  • Because Obama is a coward who never served his country and nodded while Wright bashed it.

    McCain had his teeth knocked out and his arms hung from the ceiling to this day he can’t lift his arms up to comb his hair.

    Obama is Mr Bambi he was too afraid to serve in the military.

    Obama is a first rate coward. He doesn’t believe in sacrifice for your country.

  • Come on, folks, the way to counter this is easy— just point to McCain’s own record and play a few clips! This isn’t Dubya we’re talking about here– McCain voted against the Federal Marriage Amendment (and, yes, we with brains know that it was on Federalist grounds; he wanted the decision to belong to the states, and opposed gay marriage in his home state of Arizona. But the people being targeted by these Republican tactics are not thinkers, and won’t parse the issue enough to see the fine print). So, McCain is no dyed-in-the-wool hate-the-gays type. That’s Step 1.

    Step 2: Play the clip of McCain dodging and weaving on the issue on Ellen DeGeneres’ show. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A7addd1-SY8) Play it again. And again. Especially the bit where he gives support to the idea of a “contract” between people– a civil union– which is something that the homophobes won’t tolerate. And the kicker is when he wishes Ellen and her partner all the happiness in the world– gay-haters don’t wish happiness on those “alternative lifestyle units!”

    That’s the way Obama’s surrogates– and supporters out here on the ‘nets– need to counter any attempt by the GOP to drum up homophobia. Keep repeating the “but your own nominee believes in gay rights, too” enough times, and the issue will be neutralized!

  • McCain’s 19 year old son enlisted in the military at the age of 17. McCain’s son just came back from a tour of Iraq. McCain’s other son is set to graduate from the navy academy. McCain taught his children about service. Obama taught his children about hatred. Obama took his children to that hateful church.

    McCain saved the life of a comrade who was badly injured while McCain had barely any use of his arms.

    McCain after getting his arms repeatedly broken, having his teeth knocked out and his previous injuries not allowed to heal still refused to leave his men after three years of captivity. McCain stayed for another three years.

    What was Obama doing at this time. Of course he was serving his country by doing cocaine. Then Obama showed his patriotism by nodding about hatred of america for 20 years from Rev Wright and Father Pfleger.

  • McCain after getting his arms repeatedly broken, having his teeth knocked out and his previous injuries not allowed to heal still refused to leave his men after three years of captivity. McCain stayed for another three years.

    What was Obama doing at this time. Of course he was serving his country by doing cocaine.

    Well, Obama was born in 1961, so I’d say that at the time McCain was in captivity, Obama was probably in the second grade. (Where I’m sure he was doing cocaine, burning the flag, and having gay sex with Mexican immigrants.)

    Can we get some conservative trolls here who aren’t completely ignorant assholes? I realize the remaining 27% who still think Bush and McCain are doing a heckuva job aren’t the brightest bulbs in the bunch, but surely there’s got to be someone who’s close to a triple digit IQ.

  • Obama taught his children about hatred.

    I suppose he should have just left it to you to teach them all about that, Stacy. You seem so well versed in it.

    Why exactly do conservatives think that the best way to demonstrate their love of America is to show how much they hate their fellow Americans?

  • I don’t know about the rest of you, but Stacy’s comment about McCain’s military service totally convinced me that the Republicans should use gay rights as a wedge issue.

    Thanks for staying on topic, sweetheart. Go lay down and have a nap now.

  • You leftwingers are the ones obsessed about hate. You are constantly bashing McCain’s military record when Obama has none.

    McCain has vast experience. McCain is the ranking member of the senate armed services commitee. McCain was the navy liason to the senate. McCain has close relationships with world leaders. World leaders don’t know Obama. McCain has attended the nato security conference annually for a decade.

    Obama has zero experience. You are the ones who like to disparage McCain’s record. He also was on the first carrier sent out during the cuban missile crisis.

    You bash McCain’s record. But what exactly is Obama’s record. I’m sick of you people who never served this country bashing McCain. You people are losers.

  • So the entire Republican campaign strategy basically comes down to:

    “Gays are bad, umm-kay?”

    Yep, that oughta do it.

    And Stacy, remember that taking methamphetamines is bad, umm-kay? They just sort of suck the brains out of you and leave an empty hole behind.

    Umm-kay?

  • stacy, yes it’s true that Obama didn’t “serve his country”, but then neither did Bush (or any member of his family – brothers, sister, nieces or nephews), Cheney, Feith, Rice, or most of the other neo-cons who have gotten into this ill-fated war-of-choice and done the other things the past eight years that have wrecked our once-great country.

  • I’m sick of you people who never served this country bashing McCain. You people are losers. With Love, Stacy

    McSuckPuppet can’t comb his own hair? So how does he BBQ all those chicken legs? And knock back those Budweisers? And shoot craps?

  • The secret to defeating divisiveness is “Unity Through Division.” But in “our” methodology of divisiveness, we merely take everything that is good about America— and use it to counter the smear of negativity.

    Remember Jeff Foxworthy’s You Might Be a Bedneck If?” All that has to hapen here is a slight “tweaking” of the core concept, and you have—voila!

    You Might Not Be a Republican If….

    For example….

    You might not be a Republican if you’ve ever read the Declaration of Independence, or the Constitution of the United States—and agreed with what it said.

    You might not be a Republican if you’ve ever heard any member of the Republican Party tell an outright lie—and believed it to be an outright lie.

    You might not be a Republican if you’ve ever had a bad feeling inside about torture, rendition, the Iraq War, or kids not having adequate healthcare or enough food in their tummies.

    You might not be a Republican if you think war crimes are wrong.

    You might not be a Republican if you think a president worth impeaching should be impeached.

    You might not be a Republican if you think America deserves better than it’s had during the past eight years—or if you think that it doesn’t need another four years just like the last eight.

    this could go on forever—and it raises the possibility that there are, perhaps, very few Republicans—in America, or elsewhere….

  • Stacy
    You voted for John Kerry, who of course earned a Silver Star in Vietnam, right? You know the one you hated and called a flip flopper. You are such a total hypocrite. In 2004 The Repuke party said military service wasn’t a factor in being President, because your boy, that’s right Bush didn’t go. Now Obama who isn’t and wasn’t old enough to serve in Nam, now according to you needs to defend his not going into the military. He just did public service in Chicago. Bad Obama, for his going to serve a neglected community, after attending an Ivy League school. And for his by giving back to that community, instead of going for the paycheck.

  • Obama could have served during the gulf war. I know many people that joined during that 8 month period after saddam invaded kuwait and it was known we would be going to war. Obama had other responsibilities.

    See it is much easier to not serve and do no sacrifice and then attack McCain for serving.

  • I forgot good old Obama served by buying land from crook Rezko who was under investigation.

    Rezko gave Obama a sweetheart land deal for his house. Obama saved 300 grand from Rezko. Rezko had been under investigation when Obama bought the land from him. Rezko’s shady dealings had been in the chicago papers for years when Obama did the land deal with him.

  • yawn.

    trolls troll everywhere. Ok not everywhere. Just stacy.

    Now, ON TOPIC…

    i think transparency is going to be a factor this election and alot of the normal negative bashing is going to piss regular folks off. I for one am glad that Rove is in charge of McCain;s campaign since he is so 90’s…i think he will learn a lot like Mark Penn did. Things they are a changin’ and people are so pissed off they are going to tire very quickly of obvious wedge issues.

    My only gripe so far is the media. ‘d like to see Barack come out and call the media on their obvious bias already and let them know that lazy reporting and one sided journalism will be called out…that they damn will better check their facts before they go running off with nonsense…..I don’t know, i think the media has become a real culprit. He could effectively lump them in with the corporate special interests (which they are) and cause Americans to be leery of what they hear reported on the news (which would be a GOOD thing) and challenge Americans to seek out the facts themselves.

    the gay think won’t work this time. It will lose as many people for McCain as it gains him. There’s no way to play it.

    BTW Obama is in favor of full legal rights of marriage for gays, just not the word marriage. At least that’s what he said. McCain’s saying civil unions which i understand is different, right?

  • So Stacy, what branch did you serve in?

    You could’ve served in Vietnam as a nurse if you’re my age. You certainly could have in the Gulf War. And what about now? Please tell me you’re in some military service.

    I guess you’d call this guy a patriot too:

    In May 1988, ***** enlisted in the U.S. Army.[6] He was a decorated veteran of the United States Army, having served in the Gulf War, where he was awarded a Bronze Star. He had been a top scoring gunner with the 25mm cannon of the light-armored Bradley Fighting Vehicles used by the U.S. 1st Infantry Division to which he was assigned. He served at Fort Riley, Kansas, before Operation Desert Storm. At Fort Riley, ******* completed the Primary Leadership Development Course (PLDC).

    ******* wanted to join the Green Berets, the Army’s elite special forces. After returning from the Gulf War, he entered the program for training to become a Green Beret, but dropped out quickly after sustaining blisters from new boots issued for a 5-mile march. Shortly thereafter, ******** decided to leave the Army and was discharged on December 31, 1991.[7] ******** was given an honorable discharge from the Army Reserve in May 1992.

    What great patriot are we talking about? Timothy James McVeigh.

  • Stacy, Stacy, Stacy,
    get back on your meds. OK I servred 4 years active duty, does that qualify me to be POTUS?

    McCain is older than my dad, and he can’t be trusted with the TV remote.

    BTW, What size wrench did they have to use to screw Helms into the ground?

    One more thing: KEETING 5

  • I think we may be at the point where the gay well may be running dry. The California Supreme court decision didn’t stir up much outrage. I have a feeling this time it won’t work.

  • Didn’t junior,the Yale history major, make the comment, “The Constitution is just a piece of paper?”

  • Eustacia (@ 11, 13, 18, 26 and 27),

    Calm down before you choke on your own bile. And don’t forget to collect your golf gear points from the McCain site. Just because he cannot play golf (any more than he can tend to his comb-over), doesn’t mean you shouldn’t. Nice and calming exercise…

  • Stacy
    By military experience, do you mean the 4 planes your boy johnny crashed BEFORE he went in theater?

    Or the 168 fellow sailors he was resposible for killing when he was playing a joke on a fellow pilot?

    That military experience?

  • In-FI you are a coward. You never served so you bash McCain’s service record.

    McCain wasn’t responsible for those sailors dying. He had to jump out to save his life as a rocket crashed into his plane. The rocket came from another plane crashing into McCain’s plane.

    But according to you that is somehow McCain’s fault.

    Yeah McCain flew 23 combat missions into the heart of the air defenses in vietnam.

    Did you mention that McCain was flying planes back during the cuban missile crisis.

    His was on the first carrier sent out during the cuban missile crisis.

    Obama spent his youth smoking cocaine.

    Obama is a man full of hate and rage that spent his time in that church of hatred.

    Obama called father pfleger his moral compass.

  • To many of youy, but particularly to JS @10:
    “Swiftboating’ is equaly as reprehensible and stomach-turning whether we are doing it or having it done to us. Maybe it is even worse when we do it, because we don’t need it. We have the issues on our side, and I could list five pages of issues where Obama is either clearly in the right, or — when i have disagreements with him — he is still a hundred times more nearly right than John McCain.

    And the fact is that the country seems to agree with me. So to JS — and you are swiftboating, because if this were as widely known as you imply, it would have been used in early campaigns against McCain — particularly in the highly contested primary that was his first election. In fact, this was exactly how the Kerry swiftboating started ‘You know, if you talk to the guys who were there, they’d tell you that John Kerry blah blah blah…”

    But to the others who think that the negatives they claim to know about his military career are any more important than the positives that are generally conceded, wake up, guys. That doesn’t matter. The details of his first marriage, or Cindy’s fortune doesn’t matter — except when it might involve law violations. Hagee matters — but only because it shows how sloppily he vets his subordinates and how his ego keeps him from having someone do a Google for him — which are matters of Presidential temprament or lack of same.

    But all the rest, all the personal stuff is unnecessary — as well as validating the Republicans’ use of the same tactics.

    I’ve said several times in the past that Obama is a master of political judo — like MLK was — using his opponents attacks against them. Concentrate on the issues, the war, the economy, the Bush ‘legacy’ McCain’s pandering and ignorance of the economy, tax cuts for the rich. Those are winners.

    And, to bring the conversation back to the ostensible topic of the thread, we’re on the ‘right side’ of the gay issue as well. Gays just aren’t scary any more, not with Ellen and Judge Young, Elton and LOGO and Neil Patrick Harris and so many others becoming familiar. (Think about it. Even the right wingers were bothered more by Larry Craig’s hypocrisy and pathetic lies than they were by his turning out — to no one’s surprise — to be gay.)

    Certainly there are some people who will respond to this, but they probably wouldn’t have voted for Obama anyway — and many of them, the RRs, are more likely to stay home than to vote for McCain. (Somebody’s going to start circulating the video of McCain’s appearance on ELLEN and his refusal even to defend his position on gay marriage or to condemn her — in fact he wished her and Portia well — will convince even more RRs that he can’t be trusted.)

  • Um, Stacy, I served with the Navy’s CTF116 at NSAD Binh Thuy in the Mekong Delta in ’71-’72. So, yes I’m an actual combat veteran. Where and when did you serve?
    Your party trashed trashed veterans John Kerry and Max Cleland without a second thought. You overlooked Bush’s questionable military record and ignored his refusal to serve in Vietnam. Your current candidate has repeatedly voted against services and benefits for veterans.
    Now that your boy can’t run on his party’s record, won’t be seen with its president and changes his stand on issues on a daily basis, being a veteran is suddenly the bestest and onliest qualification for getting elected.
    You’re a sorry-ass motherfucking hypocrite and your guilt by hallucination shtick has worn out its welcome.

  • Dennis you are a traitor to this country. You want a leader that listened to america hatred for 20 years. Even after Wright made those 9/11 comments Obama still praised him.

    Dennis you are nothing but a radical nut who wants to punish america with a president who hates america.

    You also believe in reverse racial discrimination which is affirmative action.

  • Dennis you deserve rezko, wright, father pfleger. The more someone hates america the more you like him. You didn’t serve because no one who served would like a president who hates his own country.

    Shame on you dennis for supporting someone who nodded in church when america was being bashed.

    Shame on you for supporting someone that brought his children to that racist church. Shame on you for supporting someone after you saw how the church rose to their feet as father pfleger mocked hillary.

    Father pfleger praised louis farakkan so what did obama do. He then invited him to Iowa.

  • Patriotism an opinion.

    The basis of the Conservative movement currently going on is not that of the original founders, the Party called Republicans. This new movement is the Bush gang. That thirty percent of America who control the media, corporations, quasi governmental organizations, such as the Federal Reserve, Import Export bank, World bank, International Monetary fund, legions of for profit and non-profit think tanks with political support Institutions, and basically many members of the Democratic Party that perpetuate their family baby secret trust fund bank accounts by complicity to corruption and fraud are the center of America’s problem.

    But for me a special wave of ideas come from the federalist papers. Below clearly says what should happen when in doubt, look to the people.

    “As the people are the only legitimate fountain of power, and it is from them that the constitutional charter, under which the several branches of government hold their power, is derived, it seems strictly consonant to the Republican theory, to recur to the same original authority, not only whenever it may be necessary to enlarge, diminish, or new-model the powers of the government, but also whenever any one of the departments may commit encroachments on the chartered authorities of the others.”

    Tuesday, February 5, 1788. The Federalist Papers.
    Alexander Hamilton or James Madison

    What jumps out at me in this passage is

    “It seems strictly consonant to the Republican theory”.

    Consonant or being together is fundemental. That is the Republican greatness lost its way that is why Democrats are suggested to win.

    How distant one must feel to be “divisive” to win power to lead. As, can be expressed by many on this blog the Carpetbaggers know, and see through the Mainstream Media, CNN, MSNBC, and Fox, that Bush and Company don’t lead they use Media trick politics. I remember when they used to call Nixon tricky Dick. Now, America has a whole social structure based on tricks steered by good old George. For if George Bush was a patriot America would not be so screwed up.

  • Stacy, I am very interested to know which branch of the military you served in. You seem to know so much about military service. Were you part of the Gulf War? I would love to hear some of your stories, or at least your opinion on it.

  • To Stacey #11
    Please do your research, McCain’s arms were broken when he improperly ejected from his plane.
    Mr Obama would not have been accepted for Viet Nam military service, he probably would have still been a baby at that time.
    I presume you were in the military, as was my husband – a decorated Viet Nam veteran.
    Perhaps a little research would show you that Rev Wright was a highly decorated marine, he was honored by three presidents, he was also invited to the White house on several
    occasions, he was highly respected.
    A little research will tell you far more than the rumors and innuendos from the slime machines.

  • Nice yellow jacket on Fred Barnes there. Was he inducted into the Pro Football Hall of Fame, or is he just coming clean with his true colors and admitting he’s a pants-pissing conservative?

  • Stacy, you’re doing excellent work getting out the Republican message of ignorance, fear and hatred.

    If I recommend some other blogs, could you be kind enough to post more of your comments there? I’m sure it’ll help swing any undecided voters over to the Democratic side once they see who’s on the Republican side.

  • Shame on you dennis for supporting someone who nodded in church when america was being bashed.

    And shame on you for being a liar. Show me the video of Obama nodding in church when America was being bashed.

  • Shame on you, Stacy, for supporting someone who divorced his first wife because she was in a car accident and then called his second wife a “cunt.”

  • well, stacy has me convinced. See ya, America- haters!

    OK, is she gone?
    WHEW! WHAT A FRIGGIN’ NUTJOB! She & Mary must attend the same McCain fundraisers.

    But that’s what we’re up against. I don’t believe Stacy believes his/her shpiel for a nanosecond (after playing here, he/she proably went to a Friends of Bill W website to argue that you ain’t no alcoholic if’n it’s just Pabst), but that’s the sort of blindly stupid argung Obama supporters are dealing with from non-trolls. Ignore all the bad shit in McCain’s war record, only focus on his POW status & attck anyone who does otherwise. Ignore the votes he’s cast that hurt veterans. Ignore his less-than-family-values past. Ignore his nose being so far up Bush’s ass it’d break if W made a hard right turn. Ignore the “third term” meme. All that matters is that McCain served the military, and Obama didn’t. Ignore Keating Five, attack Rezko. Ignore Hagee, attack Wright.

    They both have baggage, human beings have a tendency to amass that. But I’d trust Obama’s judgment on matters of diplomacy, the economy, education, the enviornment & yes, even the military, over “follower, NOT a leader” McCain. Obama is smart enough to know he’s not the smartest man in the world, and will surround himself with people who will keep him in-the-know, whereas MCCain is surrounding himself with “four more years of Dubya” dillholes. It’s no contest who has America’s best interests at heart, who is the better American, and it ain’t John “I call my wife a cunt” McCain.

    But then again, I’m not a REAL PROGRESSIVE, so what do I know?

  • I would reply to stacy’s ad hominem attack, but I’m laughing too hard.

    Are you psychic dear? Otherwise how would you know if I served?

    I actually forgo about a grand a week in income for my business, to do pro bono work for wounded veterans. How ’bout you? And bumper stickers don’t count.

    Also, the reason McCain had to jump out of his plane to escape the rocket, was that he wet started his jet, which cooked the rocket OFF it’s mount on the plane behind him.

    Find some meds that actually work. And go fuck yourself

  • Internet noisemakers, so impressive on messageboards.

    Obama doesn’t have a shot. Couldn’t even win Ohio when he had the momentum behind him. These f’ing polls are being taken in LA/NY/CHI.

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