When anti-war voters back a pro-war candidate

Outside the White House, few have been as supportive of the Bush policy in Iraq as John McCain. He helped sell the war before the invasion; he was an enthusiastic supporter of “staying the course” for several years; he heralded the so-called “surge” policy a year ago, and he’s now talking openly about leaving U.S. troops in Iraq for decades to come. McCain continues, as recently as last night, to mock anyone who’s even hinted at disagreement over the war.

It’s paradoxical, then, that Republicans who oppose the president’s Iraq policy most end up voting for the one candidate who’s done the least to oppose the policy.

Republican angst over the war in Iraq may be helping fuel John McCain’s rise as a top presidential contender, even though he has been the campaign’s highest profile supporter of the unpopular conflict, according to surveys in early voting states and interviews with GOP pollsters.

In states that have held GOP nominating contests so far, the Arizona senator has done better with people naming Iraq as the country’s top problem than with those who picked other issues, entrance and exit polls of voters show. He has also done better with GOP voters saying they disapprove of the Iraq war than with those saying they approve.

It’s a trend that’s been pretty consistent throughout January’s contests. The more he leads the cheers for the war, the more war critics support him in Republican primaries and caucuses.

Given the fact that McCain may be the Republican nominee in November, some Dems have suggested his support for the Bush policy may seriously undermine his chances. But these developments suggest otherwise. It’s worth asking why.

Steve Kornacki recently noted the confusing phenomenon in the New York Observer:

[H]ere’s the punchline: McCain’s resurgent campaign for the Republican nomination is, for now at least, being fueled by support from voters who say they are against the war — not the party base that supports it.

In New Hampshire, 21 percent of voters in the Republican primary told exit pollsters that they “somewhat disapprove” of the war. But 49 percent of those voters cast ballots for McCain — more than twice the total of any other candidate. Another 14 percent of the New Hampshire G.O.P. electorate said they “strongly disapprove” of the war. But McCain was their first choice as well, with 38 percent. (Ron Paul got 26.).

On the flip side, the 25 percent of G.O.P. voters in New Hampshire who said that they “strongly approve” of the war sided with Mitt Romney over McCain by an astounding 44 to 23 percent margin.

Since McCain only won New Hampshire by six points over Romney, it can be fairly said that he owes his victory — and his political revival and potentially his nomination — to what he might consider the pro-appeasement vote.

The same pattern was evident in this week’s Michigan primary, where McCain’s nine-point loss to Mitt Romney would have been much worse had war opponents not rallied behind the Arizona Senator.

The AP offers some possible explanations:

Republican pollsters say GOP voters unhappy over Iraq are generally displeased with how the Bush administration has conducted the conflict and don’t oppose the war itself. They say that with violence in Iraq declining in recent months, those Republicans see it as vindication for McCain’s longtime support for a continued strong U.S. military effort.

“He’s been foremost among Republican critics of the tactics in Iraq, though stalwart about the importance of winning,” said GOP pollster Whit Ayres, who is not affiliated with any presidential candidate. “He’s getting votes from people who basically favor the war, as well as people who are critical of the effort we’ve made there.”

Lance Tarrance, a pollster and informal adviser to McCain, said reduced U.S. and civilian casualties in Iraq are helping McCain get “the best of both worlds” — support from Republicans who favor the war and from those who feel it has been mismanaged.

Others say the numbers showing McCain’s strength among GOP war critics reflect that many of his supporters are independents or have moderate views on many issues, which happen to include doubts about the war, and are not driven by misgivings about the conflict.

I have an alternate explanation: logic has nothing to do with it. Most of the voters participating in the Republican primaries may not realize McCain’s position(s) on Iraq, but they’ve been told by the media, repeatedly for years, that the senator is an expert on military matters. Kornacki pointed to the “thin to nonexistent grounding in the details of policy that most voters have,” which I think is quite right.

Dems have to appreciate these details that don’t make sense, because if they assume, “Anti-war voters will never support a pro-war cheerleader,” they’re making a costly mistake.

“a foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds.” –ralph waldo emerson

“as if we needed further proof that republicans have little minds.” –mellowjohn

  • He is getting a pass on it in part because in the Republican primary, the strongly anti-war vote is relatively small enough that none of McCain’s rivals (except Paul) want to campaign against him in a way that says “Vote for me because I am less supportive of the Administration’s doings in Iraq than McCain.”

    In a general he shouldn’t get that pass, although the Dems will have to get better at messaging to get the truth out to the general public through a distorting media.

    I do think Steve’s explanation – an electorate that is not keeping up their end of the democratic bargain – is the largest part of it. But I think much of it is that anti-war Repubicans are more moderate in general and they see McCain as less an Bush-ian ideologue (in part due to the media’s free repetition of the inapt “straight talk” moniker), so other “moderate” issues may become confounding variables when you try to look solely at the war issue.

  • I know some of these people and they aren’t the type to vote Ron Paul so their are no anti-war candidates like Hagel could have been. Yes, they like McCain because of other issues mostly and they like his personality. A lot of them take the line that ‘Bush is a dummy’ and that McCain is more experienced and likely to think for himself on the war. McCain has managed to have it both ways because of nobody being against the war except for Paul and still he has been the most hawkish – Romney seems formulaic and Huckabee seems uninformed.

    The Iraq War positions will definitely hurt McCain more in the general election.

  • How is McCain’s position on the war differerent than Hils or even Obama after he became Senator? Their voting records are pretty similar aren’t they? Sure, the rhetoric is one thing, but their votes are all quite similar!

  • “Most of the voters participating in the Republican primaries may not realize McCain’s position(s) on Iraq, but they’ve been told by the media, repeatedly for years, that the senator is an expert on military matters.”

    You’ve missed it. I’m anti-war, but I believe that Colin Powell was right (or whoever articulated the “Pottery Barn Rule”): It no longer matters who would have done what in terms of invasion. The issue now is who can get us out with a minimum of casualties to our troops, to Iraqi citizens, yet maintain a maximum of security for the US in the long run. Of McCain, Romney, 9u11ani, Huckabee and Paul, only McCain gets my trust to do it right.

    And, given the race baiting and slanderous crap out of the Clinton’s the last few weeks, at lest McCain is a guy I respect. I used to be able to say that of Hillary (respect despite dislike) — not any more.

  • “Of McCain, Romney, 9u11ani, Huckabee and Paul, only McCain gets my trust to do it right.”

    What makes you think he would try to get out at all? When a guy like McCain talks about staying there for 100 years, I would consider the possibility he just might mean what he says. He is the “straight talker,” no?

  • If you spend your life far from actual sources of real news, and rely on folk memory, water-cooler gossip, and general vibe, this is easy.

    McCain ran against Bush in 2000.
    Bush is his vanity war.
    ∴McCain is against Bush’s vanity war., QED

    An argument can be valid without all, or any, of its premises being true.

    Besides, of those who tell a pollster you disapprove of the conduct of the war, a substantial moiety want it waged more aggressively, with less discrimination, with greater lethal effect.

  • “It’s worth asking why.” Mr. CB

    Because if there’s one thing that the conservative mind loves it’s certainty. Stalwartness, steadfastness, stoic bullheadedness in the face of adversity. Adversity in this case being facts and common sense.

    They love their deciderererer’s and they love to be unquestioningly loyal to their leader. Ancient McCain has the elders aura of received wisdom and the steady voice of decidererer’s certainty. He hasn’t f’ing wavered and that is to his favor. Wavering is, well….well….it’s wavering g@d damn it and conservatives can’t stand wavering.

    Lie to ’em. Screw ’em over. Whatever. Just don’t change course. Flip Flopping might be the reassessing of a situation over time which leads to a different conclusion. But it might also be the sign of an open mind and that my friends is a dangerous f’n thing. How many times have I heard a conservative voice saying that the status of the office should be respected regardless of the stupid, destructive, boneheaded, illegal, illegal, illegal behavior of the person in the office?

    Ooohhhh baby….
    I love it when you tell me to Stay the Course.
    My heart starts to flutter and my brain just turns to mush.

  • It’s seems to me that many republicans who are unhappy with ‘Bush’s management of the war’ or something like that are mad because we are ‘losing’ not because it was/is wrong etc. They are not unhappy with the war itself. They want someone to tell them we are and will win, and are either indifferent or in favor of any level of slaughter of ‘the enemy’.

    Therefore, as McCain says, he was against the strategy/conduct (e.g. not ENOUGH troops). The ‘surge’ / ‘escalation’ is what they want — until we WIN. McCain has said repeatedly that what he does not want is AlQaeda to be able to say they WON. He and many people who follow him are either fighting Vietnam over again or are trapped in the same evil/moronic mindset that dragged Vietnam War out for so long. As Reagan said at the time while Gov. of Cal. : “no more appeasement. if it takes a bloodbath, let’s get it over with”

  • Ummmm,

    couldn’t it be this simple?…

    No Republican except Ron Paul opposes the war.
    If it bothers you that Ron Paul is unlikely to win, then you choose based on other factors. Whether Romney is for the war or McCain is REALLY for the war just isn’t that big a difference that it needs to be weighed.

  • We each seem to have our own major issue(s) that make their choice for President seem like the best one. The economy is a big one for me. McCain did not know about the “Working Group on Financial Markets” in the last debate. This is VERY scary if he is elected. My question is: Would someone tell me why we should NOT elect Ron Paul?

    Ron Paul has raised more money than the rest in the 4th quarter & is spending it! $20 million in the 4th quarter. $3.5 million so far this quarter. And it was all from individual donations averaging less than $100. No PACs. Unlike the others he is beholding to nothing but the Constitution.

    The rest, with Richardson and Kucinich out, seem to be talking crazy talk (or did last week, who knows what the Democrats will say next week!) about our military adventures in the Middle East. Military spending is connected to our current economic mess. Additionally, no one else seems to understand the problems with the economy, inflation, and out of control deficit spending. Inflation is going to eat us alive, as it has already started to do so. Do you really believe that the REAL inflation rate last year, the rate that was used by the government for Social Security check increases this month, was 2.3%? Just look at the price of gold up 30% in 2007, now at an all time high and getting higher!

    One can not talk about tax cuts without ALSO talking about cutting spending. We have a $9 trillion debt (nearly double since 2000) that must be paid so we can afford Social Security and Medicare. The interest payments will go sky high when we begin to fight inflation with higher Federal Reserve bank rates.

    And we must stop inflation or everyone’s life savings will go down the tubes, along with the middle class, like what has happened to the middle class in most countries south of our border. And do not forget Universal Health Care, which is coming down the tracks right at us, unless Republicans begin to understand the seriousness of runaway deficits and inflation. And start educating the country. A Democratic President will surely not fight inflation like Volcker and Reagan did!

    Please vote Ron Paul and save the country from bankruptcy abroad and at home!

  • Given the fact that McCain may be the Republican nominee in November, some Dems have suggested his support for the Bush policy may seriously undermine his chances. But these developments suggest otherwise. It’s worth asking why.

    Good point. Personally, I think that there is much more support for the War than the Dems and their MSM have lead us to believe. Yes, that support may vary across the spectrum, but there is clearly more support than has been reported. The Democrats gained control of Congress in the last election, supposedly because there were so many Americans against the War, but their gains did nothing to help the Dems strong and radical anti-war crowd’s demands for “troop withdrawal”. Even with Reid and Murtha wanting to surrender, and falsely claiming that the War in Iraq is/was ‘‘lost”…with Murtha even adding that our Troops were “murders”, there was not even total support within the Democratic Party for a withdrawal (aka – “Retreat”). With few exceptions, no American likes War; however, most Americans realize that we did not start this War, and support defending America (not a strong point for Dems).

    IMHO, McCain gets much of his support from Independents, moderate to left Republicans, and perhaps even some from Democrats (which probably shows more support for the War than has been reported). The Republican base is against him, so I don’t see him winning the Republican nomination. Romney is gaining on what support McCain does have and I think that McCain is now worried that he is beginning to lose his Independent and moderate to left Republican support to Romney. It was reported yesterday, that McCain accused Romney of wanting to withdraw troops from Iraq, and if the report is true, then McCain was lying…which would show a sign of desperation on his part.

  • If it’s Obama vs McCain, Obama gets more votes under 40 ? than McCain gets total. Bring the old codger on!

  • Norbert @ 10 “As Reagan said at the time while Gov. of Cal. : “no more appeasement. if it takes a bloodbath, let’s get it over with””

    I’d never heard that. And then Reagan became Pres. Marines in Beruit were attacked and the … what am I missing here?”

    Then in 1993, McCain said, “Date certain, Mr. President, are not the criteria here. What’s the criteria and what should be the criteria is our immediate, orderly withdrawal from Somalia. And if we don’t do that, and other Americans die, other Americans are wounded, other Americans are captured, because we stayed too long, longer than necessary, then I would say that the responsibilities for that lie with the Congress of the United States who did not exercise their authority under the Constitution of the United States and mandate that they be brought home as quickly and safely as possible.”

    You just can’t beat straight talk.

  • McCain may get most of his support from people like my brother, who told me just this week that he’d vote for McCain if he gets the Republican nomination, Obama if he gets the Democratic nomination, or the Dem in general if any Republican but McCain gets the nomination. If it comes down to McCain vs. Obama he said he’d be hard pressed to pick and would have to wait for the debates to figure it out.

    When I asked him why he came to this conclusion he said that McCain and Obama are both moderates like him and were both right about the war from the start. When I probed him on the fact that McCain was gung ho for the war, he said McCain recognized that there weren’t enough troops. He was going to get angry if I pushed it much further so I dropped it, but it basically came down to “as a military man, McCain knows what he’s doing” and would “be most likely to get the troops out the fastest.”

    So I think I agree with CB – the voters have been told for years that McCain is an expert on the military and “knows what he’s doing” on military matters and that he was “critical” of the administration’s push to war with Iraq. Those who only become interested in politics once every four years probably consider McCain to be an anti-war choice.

    (That’s my “Independent” brother, BTW – my Republican brothers are backing Romney and Giulianni respectively, and my Republican Dad is rooting for Huckabee for some reason that none of his children can quite figure out. I’m glad we didn’t get together for Thanksgiving this year, all things considered.)

  • Seaberry, you may be right. That would expain why McCain got 6000 more votes in the SC primaries than Clinton.

  • McCain appeals to all those Republicans (and there are many) who can’t stand the thought of America losing a war. They may oppose the war and certainly oppose the way Bush has fought it, but these are the same people who, like McCain, will tell you that Vietnam could have been won if we’d just stayed the course. It will only be four or eight years from now that they’ll realize McCain didn’t have a clue how to win, either. The way for Democrats to defeat McCain before he’s elected is to hammer home that our economic problems are FAR worse because we’re flushing a trillion dollars down the drain in Iraq. We literally have nothing left to spend here. Ask your Republican friends why it’s okay to set fire to $20 billion a month in Iraq but a mortal sin to help ordinary Americans beyond a $600 rebate check we’re supposed to spend to improve the corporate bottom line?

  • They support McCainiac because no matter what he does (US in Iraq for 100 years!), objections by Democratic CongressCritters object can be framed as an “attack” on a war hero.

    Cue screams about MoveOn.Org lynching Pet Raeus and Jane Fonda spitting hot acid on Vietnam vets. Gah.

  • ***Seabury***”…The Democrats gained control of Congress in the last election, supposedly because there were so many Americans against the War, but their gains did nothing to help the Dems strong and radical anti-war crowd’s demands for “troop withdrawal”. Even with Reid and Murtha wanting to surrender, and falsely claiming that the War in Iraq is/was ‘‘lost”…with Murtha even adding that our Troops were “murders”, there was not even total support within the Democratic Party for a withdrawal (aka – “Retreat”). With few exceptions, no American likes War; however, most Americans realize that we did not start this War, and support defending America (not a strong point for Dems).

    Where on earth did you get the idea that most Americans realize we didn’t start this war? What a crock. The polls are where Dems got the idea that most Americans oppose this war/occupation and if the dems can be accused of anything here it is in “under”estimating the voter’s disapproval of this war. It’s a right wing talking point to suggest that defending America is not a dem strong point. That’s the kind of bullshit repukes are always trying to get the public to buy yet the polls have shown again that most Americans think Dems are not only better at protecting America but are extremely more competent at managing the war/occupation than the republicans. They polled well above repukes in having the trust of the public to better handle our National defense. Seems nearly everytime you post here you post misinformation and less than subtle right wing talking points. Suggesting that Murtha and Reid wanted to “surrender” rather than “withdraw” and save lives by protecting our troops from being forced to be sacrificed trying to police a civil war is another republican framwork. The war was lost and is lost when you consider it was all for political reconciliation which has not occurred and has become next to impossible to achieve. Violence being down is not winning. What is a win…political reconciliation.

    You twist and mis lead and make erroneous assumptions and smear dems at every opportunity…Yep, definitely a republican troll

  • mccain is going to press the offensive of the war against terror begins and ends in iraq and afghanistan. he will continue to evade questions about the erroneous reasons we went in there (as he did on MTP today), claiming “the world is a better place without saddam”.

    at the end of the day he is a military man, and as the saying goes, give a man a hammer and the whole world looks like a nail. his dogged commitment to solving the world’s ills militarily will resonate with many i’m afraid. the dems can’t be shy about hanging bush’s albatross around his neck and marching him down main street on a rail. he should be made to personify everything that has gone wrong in the past 7 years, IMHO… sorry my friend, but you’re asking for it.

  • one more thing… mccain takes credit for the surge and all the glorious effects it’s touted to have had. and with so little information about the war now hitting the glass, it’s really quite hard to know what’s really going on over there.

    unless the media starts to devote more real estate to what’s going on over there expect lots of spin from the repub candidates about how good things are going over there, how their strategy is working, how the dems are surrender monkeys, etc. etc. Its the one area i believe hillary would be able to effectively counter whatever rumsfeldian fantasies we’re about to see.

  • I think this makes some sense if you look at the broader context as opposed to the single issue of the war. Anti-war Republicans are likely to disagree with Republican orthodoxy on other issues, including perhaps torture, environmentalism, etc. (Maybe campaign finance, but I doubt that’s a big issue for any but a very small number of voters). McCain’s stances on those issues are likely to appeal to the party’s dissidents, notwithstanding his positions on the war; Romney, conversely, has equally sold himself during the campaign as supporting the war, but also as an orthodox Republican on every other issue, too. So if I’m a Republican who’s dissatisfied with the direction the party has taken in recent years but not yet ready to leave the party entirely, who am I going to support? Most likely the guy who has a reputation, whether deserved or not, as a “maverick,” and who has indisputably shown some willingness to break ranks with the party in the past, at least occasionally, on matters of principle. Moreover, it’s not as if anti-war Republicans have a lot of choice; they either throw their vote away supporting Ron Paul (who is probably unacceptable to a lot of them for other reasons), or they support the candidate whose views most closely resemble their own, even if there isn’t a perfect correlation. Besides all that, even if McCain’s history on the war isn’t perfect, would you trust Romney or Giuliani to do a better job managing the situation in 2009? I certainly would not.

  • GOP anti-war voters are supporting McCain?

    Reading shows that GOP hawks who feel that Bush has been weak are supporting McCain.

    Obama remains the one Presidential contender who has opposed the war AND has a plan for improving the US strategic position afterwards.

  • McCain is a tool of the establishment. So is/are the Clinton(s) / Bush(s). And so are Huckabee, Guilliani, and Obama. Any talk of “change” from any of them is “sound and fury signifying nothing”. Everyone conveniently ignores Ron Paul as the only true anti-war, pro-American candidate because he doesn’t fit into the comfortable political stereotypes that the Ministry of Truth has supplied for us.

  • I support Ron Paul, but I think his campaign failed to attract anti-war independents because his advertising failed to put out any anti-war message. He did run one TV ad criticizing the Patriot Act, and his poll numbers jumped to 14%. But he followed that up with a totally wrong-for-the-state ad about Border Security.

    Obviously anti-war ads have little value in a Republican primary, so the campaign didn’t have any; but even running one of the YouTube clips of his debate highlights would have been better than what was aired.

  • McCain rocked the Republican boat before and lost miserably. He’s the red-headed step child of the party. But still connects with the voters as a POW. Something that on the surface would seem understandable until one looks a little deeper, but that’s another topic.

    McCain having lost before is now going to try to play along with the Republican “masses” by being pro-war, back Bush, yada, yada, yada. It will be interesting to see if they buy into it. The one thing going for him is there isn’t much competition with the exception of Willard’s money.

  • Since the war was based on lies, there is no reason to keep US troops there. The longer they stay, the more enemies the US makes.

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