When in doubt, go with a red scare

A week ago, Fox News hosted a discussion, exploring whether market instability is the fault of Democrats. As the Republican network saw it, Wall Street is worried that a Dem will win the presidency in November, and as a result, investors are feel anxiety about the future. This anxiety leads to volatility, and before you know it, presto — Dems are to blame for the market.

Most notably, Fox News featured analysis from Jonathan Hoenig, who (I kid you not) represented CapitalistPig Asset Management, and told Fox News viewers:

“What worries me about the Democrats is that if you listen to them, their message is so explicitly socialist. I mean, at every opportunity they seem to have this contempt for capitalism, this relentless pursuit of collectivism and this total distrust for free markets. If you put all the politics aside, their goal is a national health care program. Their goal is environmentalism. They see bigger government in every element of public life. That has never been good for America and it has never been good for the market either.”

‘Explicitly socialist.” He was not, in case you were wondering, kidding. Jonathan Hoenig, whose work I am not familiar with, seriously argued that Clinton, Edwards, and Obama “seem” to have “contempt for capitalism.”

Don’t be surprised if this is part of a trend. Glenn Beck, resident clown at CNN’s Headline News, launched his own red scare on the air this week.

On the January 24 edition of his CNN Headline News program, Glenn Beck asserted that Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Rodham Clinton’s desire “to get back to the appropriate balance of power between government and the market … sounds like the Soviet Union,” and that “Comrade Clinton has railed against the excesses of the offensive executive pay packages and an out of whack tax code that favors the wealthy while holding down the middle class.” […]

Beck added that “promising to steal from the rich and give to the poor” only worked for former Soviet dictator Josef Stalin “because he killed 50 million people to force them to live that way.” He concluded that Clinton’s “fiscal ideas are plenty reason enough” not to vote for her, adding: “Unless you’re [Venezuelan President] Hugo Chavez.” Later in the program, Beck said of Democratic presidential candidate John Edwards: “Now, put a red star on his furry head. He’s a communist.”

Remember, CNN, home of the self-described “best political team on television,” pays this nut handsomely.

I’ve noticed that when all else fails, the red scare seems to be a Republican fall-back position. When the 110th Congress was taking office last year, RedState created a graphic that read, “Democrat-Socialists Take Back Congress.” There was a hammer and sickle in the middle, and the background image is of the evacuation of the U.S. embassy of Saigon.

In 2005, when some raised questions about the propriety of lawmakers attending retreats sponsored by corporate lobbyists, then-Rep. James Gibbons (R-Nev.) said, “Anybody who is against that obviously must be a communist.”

In 2004, then-Sen. Trent Lott (R-Miss.) called John Kerry “a French-speaking socialist,” Sen. Gordon Smith (R-Ore.) said Kerry “advocates all kinds of additional socialism.” Around the same time, Bill O’Reilly called Paul Krugman “a quasi-socialist,” and compared David Brock’s Media Matters to Fidel Castro’s communist regime.

I can appreciate the fact that Republicans probably get a little tired of calling someone a “liberal,” but that’s no reason to start manufacturing a red scare. I mean, really. There should be some political norms that conservatives still care about.

The right gets pretty worked up when the left starts throwing around the word “fascist.” Oddly enough, though, the ease with which they talk about communism appears effortless.

It’s never wrong when they do it. It’s always wrong when we do. Them’s are the rules.

Certainly that is abundantly clear by now.

  • There was a reason that communism and socialism became popular ideologies. The last couple of decades have clearly demonstrated the kind of mechanisms and people that made them popular. That the right-wing and their army of buffoons think that “free markets” and unrestrained capitalism are solutions for an overpopulated, polluted planet show that they truly are living in the past. It’s no wonder they dredge up closet monsters from the 50s.

  • How do all those socialistic countries in Europe manage to keep their economies from collapsing? They have evil socialized medicine, active labor unions, and a lot of other socialistic stuff.

    Seriously, I’m awakening to the obvious fact that Fox Propaganda exists for one purpose only – to place advertising before the eyeballs of whatever demographic it is that finds Fox’s “product” appealing. I listen sometimes to “Christian” radio stations while I am driving (if there is nothing good on NPR), and am always amazed by the level of gullibility that advertisers there expect from the listeners. I don’t ever watch FP, but I suspect that a similar level of gullibility is to be found among its viewers.

  • Obviously Hillary Clinton is a Communist. After all she served on the Board of Directors of Wal-Mart.
    Can’t get more Communist than that!

  • good god …. what do you expect ? maybe this is why the fox business channel has 4.391 total viewers across the globe ? because clear-minded business people want sensible analysis instead of hysterical lunacy before they consider their investments ?

    all you need to know about our doofus friend hoenig is this:

    first click here:

    http://www.capitalistpig.com/

    then click here:

    http://www.entrecomics.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/10/alfred_e_neuman.jpg

    case closed.

  • It’s worth noting that the economy seems to do much better under “explicitly socialist” Democrats than it does under those capitalist Republicans.

  • It’s telling that many of these so-called purists use Atlas Shrugged as their bible, since the main two heroes of the novel, Dagny Taggert and Henry Reardon, are at no point motivated by financial gain. Their obstacles come from a corrupt government that caters to special interests. The government in AS is a lot more like America under the Bush Administration than any socialist country in Europe today.

    Another interesting exercise for anyone who wants to do the work is to go look at the Heritage Foundations “Index of Economic Freedom”. In it they grade countries around the world on various criteria such as tax policies, spending policies, and labor restrictions imposed largely by unions. If you look at those countries with the worst (highest) tax policies, the worse (highest) spending policies, and the most restrictions (like mandatory 6 weeks vacation), and then compare those countries to the World Bank’s per capita index list, what you will find is a parallel that suggests that Taxing and Spending goes quite well with greater wealth. Also while these types like to argue that high tax rates discourage entrepeneurship, a study from Merrill Lynch in 2007 shows that several of these nations have more millionaires per thousand than the US. To be fair, part of that may be because of a weak dollar.

  • Unrestrained, unregulated captialism is destroying our Earth and our Democracy through wanton pursuit of the PROFIT.

    There is nothing democratic about capitalism: It doesn’t care about how many people are employed, or who has health insurnance or how much pollution it causes. Capitalism is not a method of governing. Government is NOT a business.

    Our government was erected to ensure that the whole nation prospers, not just the powerful, or those who already have wealth. Without regulation and oversight the powerful (multinational corporations) and the wealthy (their major shareholders) will destroy us all. Case in point…the last 20+ years of increasing deregulation culminating in the CEO approach of secrecy & tyranny & torture, not to mention refusal to address pollution and global warming issues.

  • Latest poll on Hardball last night: McCain beats Clinton, ties Obama.

    So it works, and so they continue to pound it in to the mindless fools in this country. When you have 50% of the people so ignorant and gullible that they still believe in biblical creationism, a 3000 year old silly fairy tale, you have pretty easy pickings.

    The Dems are communists and afraid to confront and fight our enemies. That message resonates with half the electorate.

    It’s just so frustrating. Two-thirds of the people are fed up with what Bush has done, and yet, odds are, as of now, they’re going to put another one into the White House.

    No wonder the founders didn’t trust ordinary people to choose the president directly. Or their senators.

  • Stick with what works… as it has worked quite well since Nixon first started calling all his opponents Communists in the 50s

  • I can’t help but notice the incredible irony. Remind me again, which is the party of the RED State?

  • hark @ 10 says: “Latest poll on Hardball last night: McCain beats Clinton, ties Obama.”

    Just a guess here. I would suspect there are a lot of people who take these polls, who want to send the message, “I really want a Dem, but I won’t vote for this one.” And I do suspect that will change, even if a lot of people are holding their noses.

  • The Democrats agenda is clearly – explicitly socialist. Socialism has been called – “one-step from Communism.”

    From each according to his ability, to each according to his need (or needs) is a slogan popularized by Karl Marx in his 1875 Critique of the Gotha Program. The phrase summarizes the idea that, under a communist system, every person shall produce to the best of their ability in accordance with their talent, and each person shall receive the fruits of this production in accordance with their need, irrespective of what they have produced.

    That’s not what our Declaration of Independence, US Constitution and Bill of Rights says, but it is what the Democrats are about. Many of the Dem Talking Points come right out of Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels’ Communist Manifesto. The Democrats use a lot of the same slogans, e.g. “evil rich” and the even more evil “BIG Corporations”. Most Democrats hate free markets and Capitalism, and they want to take from the “evil rich” and “BIG Corporations”, and give to the n-e-e-d-y.

    Just look at New Orleans as an example of what the Democratic Party is really about. The Federal Government has poured money into New Orleans and Louisiana for decades, and most of the poor there had no idea how to survive without Government help. It had also been known, for decades, that New Orleans was a BOWL waiting to be filled. Why wasn’t that threat fixed? Well, no matter how much Federal money (money that Mysteriously disappeared, BTW) got poured into the solution, the leftist environmentalists wouldn’t allow it to be fixed. Speaking of the left’s so-called environmentalists, they are also credited with stopping the building of much needed refineries, and the drilling for our own oil (which we have plenty of) and the use of our Oil Shale. California burns and forests are destroyed because of the left’s so-called environmentalists.

    Socialism has been taught for decades in our Government (aka “Public”) School system (our school system is a joke), and if we don’t stop it, America is going to end with the same problems that Europe is facing. Their health care is a joke. Their retirement benefits are on the verge of collapsing (one of the reasons they needed to import so many Muslims). Etcetera…

    The Democratic Party is just an extension of the worldwide Socialism movement…a movement headquartered at the United Nations, and that seeks to bankrupt America, then turn it into another Socialist State.

  • Bu-but, Bush looked into Putin’s eyes and saw his soul!

    And China owns our asses.

    Where were these wanksticks then? Oh yes, cowering under the bed because Osama Bin Laden was after them.

    The problem is, 99% of people cease to give a fuck about they’re looking at a foreclosure notice and they’re not sure how they’re going to pay the heating bill.

  • As investors anticipate capital gains and dividend tax rates returning to pre-Clintonian levels, the markets will get hit as investors look to harvest gains at lower tax penalties. I am not so sure this helped spark the recent sell off, but it will weigh on markets in the future.

  • “It’s worth noting that the economy seems to do much better under “explicitly socialist” Democrats than it does under those capitalist Republicans.”

    If you are citing the later half of the ’90’s, that occured when Clinton turned fiscally conservative and the GOP managed Congress. One only wishes this President and this Congress acted in a similar manner.

  • Seaberry, I suspect that you’re a Ron Paul supporter, huh?

    sparrow @ 17

    No, I am not. Don’t know much about him, other than most Repub and Dem blogs don’t like him.

  • ***Glenn comment #11***lol…thanks for the link. It’s right on the mark real but was supposed to be a satire.

    Hark***don’t start buying into Fox’s bullshit…no republican will win the WH no matter who we nominate. No one wants more of this shit no matter how they try to spin it.

    Seaberry you are so funny. You should be writing for the Onion. Come on, using “evil rich” and “Big Corporations” as examples of communist expressions used by dems …now I’m scared. Don’t forget all the world support that came pouring into New Orleans and the evil dems sent the money back and made the ships just sit off shore letting all their medical supplies rot and overheat. Or the melting ice coming from Washington state…incompetent dems huh? You funny hahaha.

    Fox goobers on with its mission of distort and confuse the message then attack the messenger as they continue to insult the intelligence of their viewers believing that their viewers are too stupid to see through their propaganda. Cheney and Bush tried to make them seem credible by appearing on their programs but only because they could control the message. They will never be credible and are plainly the place people will go to find support for their hate and prejudice. A well oiled GOP propaganda machine with some of the stupidest commentators to be found on the planet. They have no idea what the words communism or socialism mean or their practical application in the world. They have followers who follow their cue cards. When it says applaud they applaud, when it says hate…they hate. There will always be 1/3 of the populace gullible enough to be led around by their prejudices.

    What’s really funny is that they think anyone would believe their claim that a repub will win the WH this time as if there were really a choice between a corpse and a democrat.

  • “From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs.” Sounds good, as does “personal responsibility”. The difference is that one is associated with insincere rhetoric used by Lenin/Stalin, while the other is insincere rhetoric used by Republican politicians when their not accusing people of “playing the blame game”. I hope we don’t get to the point where people start saying, “personal responsibility, that’s just Bush-speak.”

  • Anybody who isn’t rich is useless and should be turned into bio-fuel for my Cadillac, and their bones used for fertilizer.

    Brad Halitosis, CEO
    Plunder Pirates Portfolios(TM)

  • It’s all about ratings, and ratings are driven by viewership. Nutty fool Glenn Beck gets lots of watchers, many of whom may well be fantasizing about how he would look in a set of crosshairs, or through a Mercedes hood ornament. It doesn’t necessarily indicate agreement, or approval. Similarly, WaPo continues to feature the hoarse screams of room-temperature-IQ resident hammerhead Charles Krauthammer – because his columns invariably draw a huge pool of comments. Most of those discuss interesting and alternative venues of employment for Krauthammer, but WaPo doesn’t care. You’re reading.

  • Will the right wingnuts make up their f*cking minds … are we fascists as Goldberg kvetches or are we socialists/ communists are the mighty Glenn Beck spews? Take your pick knuckleheads, but you can’t have it both ways!

    To vent some more and let loose a Cheneyism, go f*ck yourself Mr. Hoenig. This nation is on the brink of borrowing our future tax dollars to give back to ourselves to spend on the economy so we can bail screwballs like yourself out. Folks like yourselves who claim to be free-market noninterventionists are actually a bunch of foxes trying to guard the henhouse so you can make a killing and the taxpayer, time and again, gets to pay for the damage they wrought. Savings and Loans, Enron, Global Crossing, housing bubbles and the like are are what guys like Hoenig do and when the bottom falls out of the scam it’s up to the rest of us to bail him out. These guys are the Stalinists who want the few to enjoy luxuries off the backs of those who’ll never taste them.

    Hoenig is one of those crooks that complains when the cops come around to stop crimes from being committed as being bad for his business. He prefers it when the cops have been bought off, such as during the entire Bush administration, so he can do his dirty work at his leisure. Piss off.

  • Fox goobers on with its mission of distort and confuse the message then attack the messenger as they continue to insult the intelligence of their viewers believing that their viewers are too stupid to see through their propaganda.

    Their viewers ARE too stupid to see through their propaganda. Anyone who’s not doesn’t even think of watching Fox. Thus, they can’t “continue to insult the intelligence of their viewers” because said intelligence isn’t evidently something those viewers possess. The fact that Fox can have any success at all is the best argument against democracy that our current American society evinces. That and GWB, of course.

  • It sure is strange that on average the market has done better under Democratic presidents than Republican ones.

    On the other hand, there is a grain of truth to this in terms of perception if not reality. I know lots of people who do see a Democratic president primarily as meaning an increase in capital gains taxes. It is harder to make the case that such fears are the real causes of current drops in the market considering all the other weakness in the economy. Having waged a war on credit certainly doesn’t help matters.

  • Last time i checked, the two front running Democratic candidates were getting more financial support from Wall Street than the Republicans this time around….they must be really worried about a Democrat getting into the White House.

  • Just as a side note, I was actually acquainted with Hoenig at one point in time, and I can assure you that he is as much of a horse’s patoot in real life as he is on air.

    I should also mention that he never finished college. And this is who we have making commentary on a major network??? (Yeah, I know, it’s Fox . . . but still!)

  • Given the fact that the alleged “free market” has been held up and restrained from the excesses of the morons (er, I mean the Republicans) and had it’s ass saved every 5 years for the past 75 years by we “socialist” Democrats, for some halfwit dumb enough to pass the IQ test low enough to get into “B” school and then go to work for an industry that hires and promotes the likes of Donald Trump, well, let’s just say that Mr. Hoening is not merely the horse’s patoot that Caped Composer tells us he is from first-hand knowledge, but a perfect example of what is meant by the term “the only ‘good Republicans’ are pushing up daisies.” These idiots live in their fantasy land about the viability of free markets, in the fact of 200 years of capitalist history that Marx was right: left to themselves, they would go over the cliff (as they used to do repeatedly prior to 1932) as they invent more and more obscure ways to go get themselves into a “flower bubble” – the first of their excesses back in the 17th century.

    All one has to do to disrespect capitalism is look at what it does when it gets out of its cage.

  • Why do Capitalism and Socialism have to be ideologies? Why can’t they just be management options? The two are blended quite successfully (and explicitly) in places like Denmark. And why aren’t these warriors attacking American agriculture, where socialism has infiltrated so deeply?

  • “Commie!” got tired after the cold war. And now, after Republicans have run “Terrorist-lover!” into the ground, they’re back to “Commie!” again. What was old and tired is now fresh and new again. It must have been so depressing for them to have to revert to “Compassionate Conservatism” in 2000 to get their votes, when hate and fear have always been their core attractions. 9/11 returned them to their true personality – using fear and hate to control the populace while robbing them blind.

  • I think the WSJ had an article about this last week: the WS hotshots fear a Democratic president more than they fear another terrorist attack on US soil.
    And, I suppose, the Right can take comfort in this new book: “Blacklisted by History: The Untold Story of Senator Joe McCarthy and His Fight Against America’s Enemies” by Stanton Evans. As one McCarthy biographer as already noted, the book is full of crap. But I sense revisionist history in the works.

  • During the Clinton administration the Dow Jones Industrial Average increased by over 200% and the NASDAQ by almost 300%. So far, the DJIA has increased a measly 16% in 7 years of the Bush administration, and the NASDAQ is down 15%.

    Also, the real median income is lower now than when Clinton left office.

    So, it turns out that the rising tide that lifts all boats is pulled by the Sun and Moon of the Democratic Party.

  • Thankfully, with the fall of the Soviet Union, the epithet “communist” no longer resonates with the public the way that it did during the Cold War. Most of the electorate in this country probably don’t even remember Brezhnev or Khruschev. I view this as a positive development, the desperate death throes of movement conservatism as a political force in this country, as it retreats back to the Bircher fringe where it so appropriately belongs.

    Used to be, when one cried “communist” people lost their jobs. Now the term is just a quaint relic of an earlier era. And does anyone watch Glenn Beck anyway?

  • To Seaberry, you need to go back to school because you do not know what communist actual is. Unrestrained, unregulated capitalism is what we have under the most business friendly administration ever in this country and what do we get. I tell you what we got poison food and poison toy. The housing market is now in bad shape because of unregulated lending practices. The Bush administration has failed to uphold our laws and now people are losing their homes. We have war that was illegal and economy that about to collapsed. The way you talk makes me wonder are you one the very rich who does not care about his country and it’s people. Who only cares about self, if so then you are very greedily person. The Bible says “the love of money is the root of all evil”. Unrestrained, unregulated capitalism is as close to pure greed as it gets and it will destroyed this country and not socialism

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