When Lieberman moves to McCain’s right

Last week, after reports surfaced that radical televangelist John Hagee had described Hitler as fulfilling God’s will, John McCain, who had wooed Hagee for a year, had seen enough. After touting Hagee’s endorsement, and campaigning alongside him, McCain announced that he now “rejects” Hagee’s support.

But what about Joe Lieberman? It was Lieberman, of course, who went on Fox News to defend Hagee from charges of bigotry: “He represents a lot of people in this country, particularly Christians who care about the state of Israel. He founded a group called Christians United for Israel.”

Now that McCain has decided he no longer wants anything to do with Hagee, will Lieberman follow McCain’s lead? Apparently not, at least not yet. Max Blumenthal reports:

Senator Joseph Lieberman is scheduled to headline Pastor John Hagee’s 2008 Christians United For Israel Washington-Israel Summit this July 22. In accepting Hagee’s invitation, Lieberman became the most senior elected representative confirmed to appear at the annual gala. Last year, when Lieberman spoke at Hagee’s summit, he compared the Texas televangelist to the biblical prophet Moses, dubbing him “an Ish Elochim,” or “a man of God.” Unless he rescinds his pledge to appear at this year’s summit, Lieberman can be expected to deliver another soul-stirring tribute. […]

[P]rior to McCain’s sweeping renunciation, Lieberman could have reasonably claimed to be unaware of the preacher’s repugnant views on the Holocaust. Now, he has no excuse for ignorance. As a key McCain surrogate who McCain may select as his running mate, Lieberman must know why Hagee is no longer welcome on the so-called Straight Talk Express.

So why the silence? Why won’t Lieberman, who is married to the daughter of Holocaust survivors, end his relationship with Hagee as well? Why, in apparent defiance of the McCain campaign, does he remain scheduled to headline Hagee’s upcoming summit?

Those sure are good questions. If McCain sees Hagee as too nutty to be associated with, Lieberman hardly has any incentive to hang around with this radical preacher. That is, unless Lieberman actually agrees with this clown.

That really is what it comes down to. Without a partisan or electoral motivation, Lieberman either a) has no idea what Hagee believes, but stands by him anyway; or b) knows what Hagee believes, but doesn’t care.

Maybe the Hitler revelations weren’t persuasive enough, because, as far as Lieberman is concerned, Hagee’s “support” for Israel matters most. But that’s actually part of the problem. Ben Smith explained recently that Hagee’s support for Israel is “rooted in the belief that the Jewish state will — soon — be the site of Armageddon,” and his “brand of Christian Zionism closely links support for Israel to the end of the world and the conversion of the Jews to Christianity.”

Hagee’s predictions are very clear. Armageddon, the final battle, could begin, he wrote in his 2007 book “Jerusalem Countdown,” “before this book gets published.”

The Antichrist “will be the head of the European Union,” he writes.

Using geographical calculations based on the Book of Revelation, he writes that Israel will be covered in “a sea of human blood” in the final battle.

The Jews, however, will survive the battle, Hagee says, long enough to have “the opportunity to receive Messiah, who is a rabbi known to the world as Jesus of Nazareth.”

Hagee also believes Jews have been persecuted over the centuries, but as far as he’s concerned, it’s their own fault.

“It was the disobedience and rebellion of the Jews, God’s chosen people, to their covenantal responsibility to serve only the one true God, Jehovah, that gave rise to the opposition and persecution that they experienced beginning in Canaan and continuing to this very day.”

And while we’re at it, Hagee’s “support” for Israel is rooted in the notion that Hagee welcomes Israel’s destruction.

[Hagee] argues that a strike against Iran will cause Arab nations to unite under Russia’s leadership, as outlined in chapters 38 and 39 of the Book of Ezekiel, leading to an “inferno [that] will explode across the Middle East, plunging the world toward Armageddon.” During his appearance on Hinn’s program at the end of last March, for example, the host enthused, “We are living in the last days. These are the most exciting days in church history,” but then went on to add, “We are facing now [the] most dangerous moment for America.” At one point, Hinn clapped his hands in delight and shouted, “Yes! Glory!” and then urged his viewers to donate money faster because he is running out of time to preach the gospel.

So, it’s not that Hagee loves Israel, so much as he foresees a blood-soaked war in the Middle East that leads to Jesus’ return, at which point the Jews who survive will become Christians.

Lieberman is not only comfortable with all of this, but is even willing to headline one of Hagee’s events?

Lieberman’s “pro-Israel” views aren’t really all that popular among actual Israelis. After this, I guess he really is a uniquely American figure.

  • What happens to Lieberman when the End of Times comes and he’s corralled in Israel with the rest of the Jews to be blasted to smithereens by bad-ass second coming Jesus?

  • Lieberman is beyond pathetic – what’s a word that describes someone who is so fukking dumb they have nio clue how dumb they are? I use words professionally and I have none I can think of that adequately describe this thing. One word does come to mind – putz – a nice Yiddish term that means “a penis that thinks it’s a person.” Much worse than “prick”.

    When they were passing out brains, Joe thought they said “trains,” and said he didn’t like them.

  • As Bertolt Brecht said (I think it was from Mack the Knife), “Zuerst kommt das Fressen, dann die moral.” First comes the food, then the morality.

    Liebermann doesn’t particularly care why Haggee supports Israel. In fact they probably both think the other is a fool. But they both have the same immediate need. Until that hog is slopped, the morality is irrelevant.

  • It’s amazing to watch the phenomenon of someone like Lieberman as they start out from a position of popularity then begin to blurt our ridiculous statements which get broadcast attention. Then they seem to descend into a haze where they mistake public outrage for adoration and continue to make more and more ridiculous statements, each more outrageous than the last. It’s just like when you think Britney Spears can’t get any more outrageous, she does it again.

    I look forward to a long campaign season of watching Lieberman and his buddy McCain continue trying to out do each other in the lunatic foreign policy category, and the our preacher is crazier than yours category, and the “just another trillion or two, plus a hundred years” to end the war category.

  • “Lieberman either a) has no idea what Hagee believes, but stands by him anyway; or b) knows what Hagee believes, but doesn’t care.”

    The other possibility is that Lieberman actually believes all or part of what Hagee preaches.

    Israel lives in a tough neighborhood, and they have a right to defend themselves from their crazy and hostile neighbors. But when people start dragging religion (Christian, Jewish, or Islamic) into the discussion of Israel, it gets nutty very fast.

    It will be fascinating to hear what Sen. Lieberman will have to say to Hagee’s followers.

  • Every time I see a news item on Senator Lieberman, for some reason Emperor Palpatine jumps into my head. Does anyone else experience this odd effect?

    A CT resident who voted for Lamont.

  • Lieberman’s career path is starting to look just like Ann Coulter’s — every criticism generates an even greater desire to provoke, and no apology is ever forthcoming. The problem is, when you’re provoking at this level of public scrutiny (i.e., if you’re more mainstream than, say, Michael Savage), eventually you have nowhere to go but completely over the edge, with the mainstream press watching. For Coulter it was gay-baiting and attacking 9/11 widows and embracing McCarthy; Lieberman’s just going to keep backing Hagee (and probably other Christian Zionists) ever more publicly while making ever more strident McCarthyite attacks on Democrats until he’s just saying flatly, “Yes, I think Barack Obama hates his country and would like to see it destroyed.” I really think he’ll go that way. His buddies in the media, like Coulter’s, will continue to see him as within the pale, but it will be increasingly clear that he isn’t.

  • In local TV news organizations, if you want to get rid of an anchor or weather person you don’t like, you simply send their résumé tape to stations across the country. They get an offer from another market, and presto! You don’t have to deal with them anymore.

    Why don’t we put together a campaign to get Joe Lieberman elected to the Knesset? Then, he and Hagee can team up and try to bring about the End Times. And the rest of us will have our pick of all the righteous cars and homes that are left unmanned!

    It’s a win-win.

  • First of all, the Antichrist (person or system) instigates the actions leading to Armageddon. If Iran is struck, it will be by the U.S. That tells us who/what the identity of the Antichrist is. Secondly, the alliance will include China. Thirdly, of the current 5,499,000 registered Jews in Israel now (75%) of the population, only 144,000 are supposed to survive. That’s about 0.026% of that segment of the population. By what stretch of the imagination could pushing for this type of scenario be considered “pro-Israel?”

  • Danp said: Until that hog is slopped, the morality is irrelevant.

    LOL. Great line. Woody Allen advised God not to put the anus so near the vagina, because it would just cause trouble later on. I think the same thing can be said about putting Israel in Palestine. chrenson is right; Lieberman is in the wrong branch of government. Lierberman for Knesset!.

  • And Find out What has been bothering me

    … and I care about this because … ?

    b) knows what Hagee believes, but doesn’t care

    Definitely b.

  • Watch the video of last years conference when Lieberman spoke and you’ll see Lieberman involved in personal conference with Hagee. Lieberman believes the same thing Hagee believes…he is one of these fanatics and if you think you’re quotes are representative of Hagee and his followers you’ve just scratched the surface. I’ve tuned into this guy over the years just to know when to load my gun…these people are nuts…and Lieberman is one of them along with another infamous discredited repub congressman from Texas who we know is crazy.
    Is Jerusalem Joe done yet?

  • Lieberman compares Hagee to moses and says Hagee is Ish Elochim, or “a man of God.”

    I think a more apt comparison is to call Hagee an Hororary Mayor of Masada.

  • Maybe Joe is a surrogate for McCain– “I had to renounce you, but here’s my BFF to reassure you that I didn’t mean it.”

  • Didn’t Jesus himself say that man shall not know the time nor the hour of his coming, and anyone who says they do is a false prophet?
    And another thing: All this end times rapture bullshit that so many weak minded simpletons truly believe in is pure fiction concocted up by some guy who got rich selling books about this garbage.

  • I hope someone’s taping this … the campaign ads pretty much write themselves. And if memory serves me correctly, Hagee’s too extreme even for most Connecticut Repubs (to whom Liebercain owes his reelection).

  • “And Find out What has been bothering me”

    No thanks, here, you take my headache.

    “Want to know the difference between Clinton and Obama supporters”

    I think I know already, but I’m sure you’ve got a really irritating explanation with about a 75% chance that it rhymes.

  • Bipartisanship for Democrats moves your agenda to the center.

    Republican bipartisanship moves you to the right of Bush.

    Extremism is that which does not push rightward. Bipartisanhip is that which pushes us rightward. The center is always righward. And the center cannot hold.

  • Shmuley Boteach once had an article on Beliefnet talking about how the beliefs of those persons who support Israel are irrelevant so long as Israel receives the support. Maybe that is how Lieberman sees it. His praise for Hagee is a bit odd, especially coming from an Orthodox Jew.

  • Just so there’s no confusion about it, Christians have been anticipating the imminent coming of the end times since before there were christians. Here’re Jesus’ thoughts on the matter:

    34Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.

    35Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.

    — Matthew 24

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