When ‘nutpicking’ reaches the presidential campaign level

For quite a while, conservatives have embraced an annoying strategy — trawl through liberal blogs’ comments sections in the hopes of finding intemperate remarks. The right then takes these comments to “prove” that the left is made up of unhinged radicals.

The practice has always been rather self-defeating. In fact, about a year ago, Kevin Drum came up with a sensible maxim: “If you’re forced to rely on random blog commenters to make a point about the prevalence of some form or another of disagreeable behavior, you’ve pretty much made exactly the opposite point.” Eventually, the practice was even given a name: “Nutpicking.”

And now, “nutpicking” has reached the presidential campaign level.

Little Green Footballs, a prominent far-right blog, had this item yesterday:

A search of the official my.barackobama.com site for “Jewish Lobby” reveals an enormous amount of antisemitic hatred being posted…. There are hundreds, possibly thousands, of posts that refer to the “Jewish lobby” at the Obama site. I stopped looking at the results on page 10. […]

By the way, it is absolutely no excuse to say that “anyone can post a blog there.” Barack Obama isn’t running a Blogspot blog, he’s running for president of the United States, and his official web site is full of hatred and antisemitism.

LGF’s criticism was interesting in part because it was only partially attacking Obama. The candidate, the argument goes, is wrong for having a forum filled with ugly content, even if the campaign didn’t produce the content. And, the argument continues, it speaks poorly of the campaign in general that it attracts people who’d provide the ugly content in the first place.

There are a couple of problems with this approach. First, the Obama campaign (to its credit) created an open online forum. Anyone can “post a blog there,” and it’s not the campaign’s fault when someone adds offensive content. Second, the campaign has moderators to delete the truly ridiculous posts and comments, but it’s hard to keep up with the level of abusive text. That’s just a practical, logistical problem, but it hardly speaks to bigotry within the campaign or among the campaign’s supporters in general.

And third, conservatives forgot to check John McCain’s site before running with this.

The Jed Report explained:

As I wrote yesterday, the Little Green Freakshow (aka Little Green Footballs) lied when it claimed that Barack Obama’s website reveals a disturbing pattern of antisemitism.

Well, I can now report to you that their ridiculous claim has also blown up in their face. Apparently, LGF forgot to check if there was any objectionable filth on any of their man John McCain’s official campaign forums, and not surprisingly, it turns out there is. In fact, a quick check last night revealed at least one use of the N-word to describe Barack Obama, among other smears.

The Jed Report found all kinds of offensive content on McCain’s site, none of which the campaign was responsible for, but all of which was readily found with minimal effort. John Aravosis also found a ton of disgusting content on McCain’s campaign site, including racism, anti-Semitism, misogyny, and anti-Islamic comments.

And what does this tell us about McCain and his supporters? Not a whole lot. That’s the point — once one goes nutpicking, they can find crazy content, but it doesn’t prove anything.

Honestly, I thought conservatives had matured a bit, and learned some lessons over the last few years. Remember when MoveOn.org invited people to put together their own campaign ads four years ago? Some nut put together a Nazi-driven piece, put it on the site without the group’s knowledge, and the right shouted, “See?! MoveOn.org is comparing Bush to Hitler!”

But there’s just no excuse to keep playing the same dumb game. The Obama campaign was about as responsible for anti-Semitic content on its site as the McCain campaign was for its anti-Semitic content. Both campaigns have a handful of nutty supporters. That’s a shame, but it’s hardly evidence of a scandal.

The Jed Report added:

[L]et me stress that I find this “issue” utterly stupid. Not only are there bound to be some bad apples in any mass movement, but there’s also no way of knowing who posted what and why they posted it. For all we know, most if not all of these posts could be attempts at political sabotage. On balance, both the McCain and Obama campaigns have done an impressive job of maintaining an open community while eliminating most of the undesirable elements.

And that’s a whole lot more noteworthy that whatever garbage right-wing blogs can dig up from user-created content.

Rush Limbaugh is a Republican shill. Nuff said…

  • Awesome, brilliant. Little Green Fucktards receives another well deserved spanking and retreats to mom’s basement to cry. Has LGF claimed that the nasty comments on McCane’s site were put there by Democratic operatives yet or Chris still rubbing the welts on his backside?

  • I’ve got a crazy conservative stalking me at my site who insists that it’s not valid for me to ask him to explain why he does the same things he attacks me for. I don’t think the word “hypocrisy” is in their dictionary. In the end, they know they’re right about everything and we’re wrong, and nothing can ever change that.

    Believe it or not, this freak has written at least fifty comments on one post attacking me for saying it was “obvious” that Obama didn’t agree with his pastor, because he insisted that opinions couldn’t be obvious. These are weird weird people.

  • I must admit, I frequently read comments on blogs that I seldom visit, only to find out what their audience is. In fact, on today’s campaign roundup, the story about the Feinstein dap, I came away thinking 1) CNN is short of nothing if not content, and 2) what a mean spirited following they have. But to try to judge the blog based on selected comments is beyond absurd. Especially since most are done anonymously.

  • Stupid, disgusting, racist, anti-semitic and all around offensive comments should stay in the LGF comment sections where they belong.

  • LGF are, of course, fucktards. But I wonder: is it really wise for either campaign to allow commentary/blogs? Are their websites really for creating online communities or are they for the purpose of expressing why each candidate is the best choice for President? I suppose they feel that the benefits of participation outweigh the potential issues like this LGF business, and maybe they’re right, but I’d think twice about it.

  • The candidate, the argument goes, is wrong for having a forum filled with ugly content, even if the campaign didn’t produce the content.

    Little Green Footballs is wrong for having a forum filled with ugly content, especially as Little Green Footballs is responsible for having produced that content.

    Therefore, I shall await with unbridled anticipation for the dropping of an armed, fully-functional thermonuclear device upon Little Green Footballs. And out of a devout sense of fair play and international evenhandedness, I will not complain one iota if the fully-armed thermonuclear device dropped on Little Green Footballs is a weapon of Israeli origin. After all, I personally know several individuals of the Jewish persuasion who find Little Green Footballs to be less desirable than even a Hezbollah diatribe or a full-color photograph of Mr. Ahmadinejad. One such individual goes so far as to compare Little Green Footballs to “spoiled pork.” That, to me, would make Little Green Footballs out to be the most undesirable of things….

  • Well, I think that any fucktard who’d post a comment on a political blog is either crazy, stupid, or both. I mean, really…uh…you’d have to be…um…pretty…uh…

    Shit…

  • Glenn @ 6 – I agree with you. If the site has the name “Obama” in it and is run by him, he is going to take a hit for things like this, even if we believe it is unreasonable for that to happen. And we already know Fox will do the nutpicking for the networks to carry forward to the mainstream. I appreciate him reaching out and opening it up to everyone, but he’s going to take heat for this endlessly until the end of the campaign, and I’m not sure it’s worth it. Reminds me of having toddlers that are crawling towards some breakable thing in the living room. At first you think you can tell them “no” and they’ll get it, but eventually you realize you just have to put the dang vase somewhere else and stop worrying about it.

  • They don’t have issues, so the right has to use anything they can to try to get an advantage. This is the type of manufactured issue that Obama is always talking about.

    John McCain: Here’s to you, poor people!
    McCainonomics 101.
    John McCain: Your retirement is too secure as it is, don’t you think?
    John McCain: Here’s to you, OH, PA, MI!
    John McCain: Can’t poor sick children just get a job already?
    John McCain: 100 more years of war!
    John McCain supporting our troops by keeping them uneducated.
    Who knows better how you should act with your own body, why of course, John McCain!
    4 more years of Bush/McCain policies! They’ve worked so well so far!

  • Little green footballs sounds like slang for antidepressant pills. I guess you can be junkie/druggie and a winger at the same time. Whoops, spoke too soon…comedian rush limbaugh, thats right. But its not abuse when he does it.

  • “A search of the official my.barackobama.com site for “Jewish Lobby” reveals an enormous amount of antisemitic hatred being posted…”

    …and I’ll bet it showed up just a few seconds after he posted it.

  • Someone is surprisd that failed metalhead Charles Johnson has once again proven himself a public moron? All you have to do is go look at the racist, white supremacist, misogynist, pro-Nazi bullshit the failed brownshirts post there all the time. Little Green Snotballs makes Free Republic look like an intellectual’s salon in comparison.

  • Oh, and CJ doesM/i> exercise control of the postings at his site, so he has no excuse (other than these people aren’t lib’rls and he only ever censors lib’rls)

  • Hey baggers,

    Why don’t you do Stick It. You guys don’t give a damn about this country only for your spoiled ways! Obama is being treated like a God, and once you clowns get in office, The US will be in WORST SHAPE! Anyway, once this happens, you’ll be blaming George Bush (Like always) and not accepting your responsibility.
    Any besides people like you hate evangelical Christians. Let’s just see if Rev. John Hagee & the New King James Bible is right!

    Sincerely,
    Donald M. Ostrem Jr.
    SSGT, USAF, (ret)

  • Oooh…we got our own little green fuckball right here!

    We don’t have to wait to blame Bush. This country is totally fucked up because of your beloved Bush!

    He will be blamed for all history for his colossal failures, for being the dumbest president in history, for being callous, and for being a sociopath.

    Put that in your hat and smoke it, asshole.

  • How do you define “far-right” these days?

    Christian fundies?
    Jewey neo-cons?
    Hitler?
    or Neo-Hitlers?

    I’ve seen many bloggers slapped with that label. What is the standard by which defines the far-right? Is LGF in bed with Pat Buchanann Lew Rockwell? Both? Neither?

  • I’ve seen this post referenced at a bunch of other blogs, but not in this comment section. Apparently the comment was a right-wing plant to begin with (‘ratf***ing’, for those of you familiar with Nixon-era dirty tricks).

  • LGF better punt on this one; looking at the comments on their website, it ain’t much better than that.

    Take a look at the comments from this page http://littlegreenfootballs.com/article/30253_Obamas_Plan_for_Iraq-_Prosecute_War_Criminals/comments/#ctop

    They’re upset that Obama will prosecute war criminals. That’s right prosecute, something the Bush Admin hasn’t been doing, except to lowest level grunts following Bush Co.’s orders.

    Weren’t Rethugicans supposed to be hard liners against crime? As far as they’re concerned, as long as it ain’t white people going to jail (re: Scooter Libby) then it’s all gung-ho against crime.

    There’s even one nutjob saying that the military will take Obama out if he prosecutes officers for war crimes (comment http://littlegreenfootballs.com/showc/787/5410720)
    That sounds a LOT more offensive than MoveOn.org posters saying Bush is Hitler.

  • Donald M. Ostrem Jr., it is my belief that any one version or translation of the (or any) bible (including apocrypha or not, as is your wont) is interesting as literature only, full stop. That being said, you do know that the King James is deeply flawed as a rendering of what had previously been accepted as the bible, don’t you?

    From Bart D. Ehrman’s “Misquoting Jesus,” p.209:

    The King James version is filled with places in which the translators rendered the Greek text derived ultimately from Erasmus’s edition [the Textus Receptus, used for NKJV as well], which was based on a single twelfth century manuscript that is one of the worst of the manuscripts that we now have available to us [its Revelations was incomplete, and was supplemented with non-Greek manuscripts]! It’s no wonder that modern translations often differ from the King James, and no wonder that some Bible-believing Christians prefer to pretend there’s never been a problem, since God inspired the King James Bible instead of the original Greek! (as the old saw goes, If the the King James was good enough for Saint Paul, it’s good enough for me.)

  • This is insane. Since LGM says that many instances of the words “Jewish Lobby” in the comments section is indicative of hateful sentiment, what does it say about LGM that their own site search turns up 1,660 hits for the same term?

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