When Reagan worship leads to Reagan invention

Rudy Giuliani repeated Ronald Reagan’s name more than any of his rivals last night, but one of the references went a little too far.

Chris Matthews had raised a plausible hypothetical: The prime minister of Israel calls the White House to alert the president that Israel is about to strike Iran’s nuclear sites and he wants U.S. help. Giuliani responded:

“It really depends on what our intelligence says. I mean, the reality is, the use of military force against Iran would be very dangerous. It would be very provocative. The only thing worse would be Iran being a nuclear power. It’s the worst nightmare of the Cold War, isn’t it, the nuclear weapons in hands of an irrational person, an irrational force. Ahmadinejad is clearly irrational. He has to understand it’s not an option. He cannot have nuclear weapons. And he has to look at an American president, and he has to see Ronald Reagan.”

At first blush, this sounds like more misplaced hero worship, which leads Giuliani to believe the solution to every scenario is to be more Reaganesque.

But the recent history is a little more complicated than that. As Matthew Ygelesias asked, “Is that the version of Ronald Reagan who sold the Iranians weapons, or it is the version that sought to check Iranian power by sending Don Rumsfeld to Baghdad to assure Saddam Hussein that the United States didn’t really mind if he used poison gas to attack the Kurdish civilian population?”

Quite right. I’d only add that Giuliani’s use of Reagan as a model for standing up to terrorist regimes is not only wrong, it’s inconsistent with the conservative worldview post-9/11.

Indeed, it usually goes unmentioned, but the Bush White House has effectively blamed Reagan for emboldening terrorists and creating the conditions that contributed to 9/11. Consider this speech from 2005:

“[Terrorists] believe that democracies are inherently weak and corrupt and can be brought to their knees. They looked at our response after the hostage crisis in Iran, the bombings of the Marine barracks in Lebanon, the first World Trade Center attack, the killing of American soldiers in Somalia, the destruction of two U.S. embassies in Africa, and the attack on the USS Cole. They concluded that free societies lack the courage and character to defend themselves against a determined enemy.”

Bush’s line doesn’t attack Reagan by name, of course, but the implication is about as subtle as a sledgehammer: “My predecessors didn’t appreciate the threat; I do.”

For that matter, this wasn’t just a random comment in a presidential speech — over the last few years, Reagan’s weakness in the face of a terrorist threat has become the standard conservative line. Here’s Dick Cheney less than a year ago:

“If we follow Congressman Murtha’s advice and withdraw from Iraq the same way we withdrew from Beirut in 1983…we will simply validate the al Qaeda strategy and guarantee more terrorist attacks in the future.”

Again, neither Bush nor Cheney would be so bold as to attack Reagan directly, but they’re clearly arguing that the Reagan model was ineffective and dangerous. And no one on the right has stepped up in recent years to say otherwise.

So, when Giuliani insists that the Iranians need to see another Reagan in the White House, maybe the appropriate follow-up is, “Why?”

I found it especially jaw-dropping when one of the candidates (I forget who) suggested that it was the mere presence of Reagan in the White House the caused Iran to release the hostages ‘in two minutes’, as if the Iranians went ‘Yipe! Yipe! Yipe! A conservative! Cheese it, boys!’

From what I understand, Iran was happy to get Reagan in, because they influenced a presidential election by making Carter look weak.

One should also mention that Iran-Contra was all about selling arms to Iran in exchange for the freeing of other hostages held by Hezbollah. Evidently the presence of Reagan did little to discourage the taking of westerners hostage, and in fact lead to the United States supporting a terrorist state with arms shipments .

  • Arriving just in time for last night’s Republican presidential debate at the Reagan Library are the first sneak peeks of the Gipper’s soon to be released diary. While Rudy Giuliani, John McCain, Mitt Romney and the rest vie to claim the mantle of “Reagan Conservative,” you can contemplate Ronnie’s insightful private admissions such as “getting shot hurts” and “I agreed to sell TOWs to Iran.”

    But you don’t have to wait for “The Reagan Diaries” to size up the man. For some reflections on Reagan from the man himself and the friends who knew him best, see:
    “GOP Debate Reflections on Reagan.”

  • #1 One should also mention that Iran-Contra was all about selling arms to Iran in exchange for the freeing of other hostages held by Hezbollah. Evidently the presence of Reagan did little to discourage the taking of westerners hostage, and in fact lead to the United States supporting a terrorist state with arms shipments.

    The important thing to remember here is that Reagan believed in his heart that his administration was supporting a terrorist state with arms shipments.

  • Didn’t Bill Maher comment earlier this week (to Chris Matthews maybe?) that the GOP worship of Ronnie was a bit gay?

    Good call.

  • Perhaps he should have referred to Reagan’s tucking tail and running in Beirut… or bombing a fruitstand in Grenada… or bombing a castle in Lybia… or Bu$h #1 knocking over another fruitstand in Panama… or not finishing the job in Gulf War I… or Bu$h #2 letting Osama escape…

  • Giuliani (The Mayor of Moronville):

    …the reality is, the use of military force against Iran would be very dangerous. It would be very provocative. The only thing worse would be Iran being a nuclear power. It’s the worst nightmare of the Cold War, isn’t it, the nuclear weapons in hands of an irrational person, an irrational force. Ahmadinejad is clearly irrational. He has to understand it’s not an option. He cannot have nuclear weapons.

    Ahem.

    I think the really smart people have told us what happens if we attack Iran. It’s guaranteed to be really bad, unless you’re a warmonger who wants to repeal the remaining civil rights of Americans. In that case it would be great.

    Is Ahmadinejad truly irrational, or is that just AIPAC propaganda? If he’s so crazy, why hasn’t he attacked us with the other types of WMDs he knows how to make? A series of attacks with chemical or biological weapons would devastate the US, and would of course lead to the extinction of… Ahmadinejad.

    If we can keep the Soviets from attacking us, we can keep Ahmadinejad from doing it too. He is infinitely weaker than they were.

    I will be happy when these morons finally go down in flames in 2008.

  • Ronald Reagan always reminded me of that Twain character in one of his Innocents Abroad encounters: The Crimean War hero who is being honored at a dinner, and who is known by a man of the cloth as a fortuitous dolt. It seems the present Republican candidates are doing their part to conflate Reagan with greatness just as the enablers in the Twain story were blind to the war hero’s bumbling flaws. Just my reading of the surreal circumstances behind Reagan worship. -Kevo

  • “…because they influenced a presidential election by making Carter look weak.”

    Carter was weak!!! Very weak!! As it is amazing to see all the Reagan love last night, it’s just as amazing to see you all continuously bash a President that most of the current Dem candidates wouldn’t dare bash in fear of losing credibility among the moderate base who did like and vote for Reagan in droves… just shows how ridiculously rabid liberals you all must be.

  • Response to American hostages being taken in the Middle East

    Carter: Operation Eagle Claw

    Reagan: Sell Iran weapons

  • It’s the worst nightmare of the Cold War, isn’t it, the nuclear weapons in hands of an irrational person, an irrational force.

    The proverbial “mirror” is calling us to have a good long look on this one. 😉

  • Reagan was a much better cheerleader than Bush. And a better actor (relatively speaking, of course). Other than that, I never saw much to recommend him. Reagan’s “vision” of returning us to his delusional past was about as reality-based as Bush’s — well, Bush.

  • who let jrs jr back in the room? he still doesn’t make any sense…..

  • JRS Jr. wrote: “Carter was weak!!! Very weak!!… just shows how ridiculously rabid liberals you all must be.”

    Wait a minute, let me get this straight – people on this page are discussing very specific problems with Reagan’s foreign policy, and your response is: “Waah! Carter bad! Liberals bad!”?

    I realize that this is the peak of Republican intellectual discussion, but that’s now how we ‘rabid liberals’ like to do things here. It’s okay if you can’t defend Ronald Reagan’s shit policies – really. It’s nothing to be ashamed of. In fact, people here might respect you a little bit more if you admitted it.

    Let me show you how it’s done: Yes, I believe that Carter was a weak president. But you’ll notice that he isn’t held up as the pinnacle of Democratic governance. We liberals try to look at the politician in total, warts and all. The whole point of this blog entry is that the Republicans evidently can’t do the same.

    Here’s the deal – if you want to have a reasoned discussion about why the selling of weapons to one of our most dangerous enemies was a good idea, fine. Heck, if you can’t defend that and want instead to argue that in spite of that, Reagan was a good president, that’s fine, too. But if the best you’ve got is the usual ‘you liberals are so crazy’ name calling, I don’t think there’s any value in having a discussion with you.

    Furthermore:
    “most of the current Dem candidates wouldn’t dare bash in fear of losing credibility among the moderate base who did like and vote for Reagan in droves”

    Ah, another conservative mantra. If he’s popular, he must be correct. Again, we liberals try and have a bit more independent thinking. I mean, Britney Spears was popular; does that mean she’s a great musician?

    Oh, wait – I forgot: Britney says, “Honestly, I think we should just trust our president in every decision he makes and should just support that, you know, and be faithful in what happens.”

    Maybe you do like her…

  • I like how most of the Republican candidates loved Reagan so much that they took a figurative piss on Nancy Reagan who was sitting in the front row:

    …Former first lady Nancy Reagan, along with California Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger, watched from the front row. But Reagan’s presence did not convince many of the candidates to agree with her support for federal funding for stem cell research…

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070504/pl_nm/usa_politics_republicans_dc

  • Didn’t Bill Maher comment earlier this week (to Chris Matthews maybe?) that the GOP worship of Ronnie was a bit gay?

    maher is always quick with the gay jokes, ain’t he?

  • “It’s the worst nightmare of the Cold War, isn’t it, the nuclear weapons in hands of an irrational person, an irrational force.”
    wait a minute… is rudy talking about ahmadinejad? or bush?

  • It’s interesting that the delusional, (and more and more) apparently psychotic right-wing have shaped today’s world far more than people like Carter. They empowered the Iran of today, they created the quagmire of Iraq, and their obsession with Communism blinded them to the reality that militant Islam that has been stimulated by their incompetent diplomacy. To make an idol of Saint Ronnie, to create grand myths surrounding his mistakes somehow fits. After all, it’s rough never being wrong.

  • We’re still fighting the legacy of reagan in the middle-east till this day. I always explode into a full on rant whenever someone praises Reagan near me because I’m sick of these idiots believing he was a great man of godly like abilities and wisdom…

  • America regards Reagan as one of the greatest presidents in history.. So does the rest of the world. Thank God his plan to get our hostages back worked.. He could have engaged in a disastrous one such as carter and caused mor problems for hostages

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