When the focus of the campaign becomes campaigning

Looking over the coverage of Hillary Clinton’s pitch this week, I can’t help but think she’s off message. Today in Philadelphia, for example, Clinton is emphasizing the need to keep the presidential campaign going.

In excerpt of a speech she’s set to give to the AFL-CIO in the City of Brotherly Love, Senator Clinton says “just as it’s getting time to vote here in Pennsylvania, Senator Obama says he’s getting tired of it. His supporters say they want it to end.”

“Well, could you imagine if Rocky Balboa had gotten half way up those Art Museum steps and said, “Well, I guess that’s about far enough?”

And in talking to local TV stations this morning and yesterday, Clinton emphasized the push to end the nominating fight.

Democratic Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton accused rival Sen. Barack Obama and his allies of trying to stop people from voting as some of his backers have called on her to drop out of the presidential race. […]

In a series of television interviews in states holding upcoming contests, Clinton vowed to press on with her campaign and suggested Obama and his supporters wanted to keep those states from playing a role in selecting the party’s presidential nominee.

And consider this lede to the LA Times’ campaign coverage this morning.

In one of their sharpest exchanges of the presidential campaign, Republican John McCain and Democrat Barack Obama clashed over the Iraq war on Monday, with each challenging the other’s credentials on national security.

Meanwhile, Hillary Rodham Clinton, Obama’s rival for the party’s nomination, went after Obama’s supporters for urging her to exit the race.

There’s obviously a common thread here. It seems as if the Clinton strategy is to focus the campaign on campaigning. Given the microphone, Clinton is using it to talk about how important it is that she keep getting the microphone.

It’s the wrong message at the wrong time.

Put aside, for a moment, whether it helps or hurts the Democratic Party to have the race continue. Reasonable people can draw different conclusions about this, and Clinton is making a perfectly good case that she deserves to keep on fighting, regardless of the hurdles.

That’s not what this is about. What, exactly, is the point of keeping the race going? In theory, for Clinton and her supporters, it’s about giving voters more time to see and hear what the candidates have to offer, and giving voters in eight states and two territories more time to weigh in with their preferences.

Clinton has made it clear she’s not going anywhere anytime soon, which Democrats can interpret as either good news or bad. But the point here is what Clinton chooses to do on the campaign trail now that she’s vowed to stay on it. So far, the emphasis the past several days has been on the importance of keeping the nomination fight going, and criticizing Obama supporters for wanting to wrap things up.

But that’s not a compelling campaign pitch; in fact, it’s hardly a pitch at all. There’s no reason to keep talking about why the race should continue; the race is continuing by virtue of Clinton’s ongoing efforts.

Reporters and campaign junkies enjoy the inside-pool and horserace analysis, but on the list of voters’ top concerns, the debate over whether the Democrats’ nomination fight should in April, June, or August is of no consequence.

Clinton has a compelling policy message, but if all we hear is a campaign based on the need to continue campaigning, the race might as well end. It will have passed the point of vapidity.

Isn’t a candidate ususally toast when they’re talking about not dropping out?

  • A good analysis, and it does seem odd that she is trumpeting her defensiveness about the decision to keep campaigning. However, it could be worse. If more people pick up on this meme and she gets a lot of grief for talking about campaigning rather than actually, you know, campaigning… maybe she’ll feel the need to talk about her choice to talk about campaigning. And then, when she gets called on that…

  • According to this article I just read at kos, which includes some video, she is wanting to stay in because she doesn’t think white voters will elect Obama over McCain.

    Yep, it’s amazing how often deep personal convictions and pragmatic realism coincide with megalomania. And people accuse Obama of having a Messiah Complex. Not difficult to imagine her thinking it, though: “The Democratic Party is going to destroy itself and I’m the only one who can save it from complete extinction!”

  • Is this really all Clinton is campaigning on, or is it just what is being reported? As Steve himself began the post: “Looking over the coverage“, not “Looking over the speeches.”

    Yes, Clinton can change the emphasis to some degree, but everyone is subject to the narrative the press wants to push. Have we already forgotten how last week was “X calls for HIllary to Quit” week?

  • Isn’t a candidate ususally toast when they’re talking about not dropping out?

    Someone posted (here?) a list of when the other candidates this year insisted they were in it until the convention and how soon thereafter they dropped out. Pretty short interval between the two.

  • Ralph, are you suggesting that the media somehow makes Clinton choose the topics of her speeches?

    Because, me, I think this whole “Clinton is mostly talking about campaigning” meme would go away if, say, she chose to stop talking about campaigning at such great length.

  • It’s so petty of Hillary to lie about Obama trying to end the race. The little bit she might possibly gain with that are more than offset by the pettiness of it.

  • …the point here is what Clinton chooses to do on the campaign trail now that she’s vowed to stay on it.

    What Clinton chooses to do on the campaign trail is to continue to play the victim.

    But she’s not a victim. She’s a fraud.

  • She’s campaigning about campaigning because it affords her a way to attack Obama (he hates democracy, after all) and do a bit of sympathy rallying at the same time. I’m not so sure it’s a bad strategy.

  • I can hardly wait for the general election campaign to begin.

    The repugnican campaign theme will be “Why vote for a nig*** when you can vote for a stupid white warmonger!”

    Commercial suggestions that I have include:

    “Where does he stand?”

    Clips of McCrap telling wacked out preachers that they are agents of intolerance. Fade to McBush embracing wacked out preachers and showing their intolerance.

    Clips of McCrap saying that taxes should not be cut for the wealthiest when we are at war. Fade to McBush embracing tax cuts for the wealthiest.

    Roll over to ‘Now we know where he stands!’ with images of McBush embracing 100 years of war.

    I will be looking to donate to 527’s that will deliver $ for $ and slime for slime with anything that the rethug 527’s will put forth…

  • What’s interesting is that HRC believes that she’s the only one that can save the party when the polling shows that she is in bigger trouble against McCain in important states during the general election. So, her belief that she is the only one who can save the party from losing the general election isn’t even based on the actual facts of the situation.

    I always believed that she was overly optomistic to believe that she could win in a general election given her baggage (even with this being the supposed “Democratic” year). With the damage she’s done herself in this campaign, that baggage is even bigger and appears to have made her unelectable.

    My question is why she can’t seem to see that. Does she truly believe her own spin or does she just not want to admit that her dream is not achievable?

  • “Well, could you imagine if Rocky Balboa had gotten half way up those Art Museum steps and said, “Well, I guess that’s about far enough?”

    Yeah, and what if Luke Skywalker left Degobah early before completing his training with Yoda! Oh, right, he did. Um, then, what if Bruce Willis and Aerosmith didn’t stop that asteroid from hitting Earth? Huh?! What then?

    Uh, Hillary. I hate to break it to you, but Rocky is fiction.

    Fucking twit.

  • Interesting. Over at Political Wire it says:

    Rasmussen: Clinton Slipping in Pennsylvania

    Sen. Hillary Clinton’s once commading lead in Pennsylvania is shrinking, according to a new Rasmussen Reports poll. Clinton now leads Sen. Barack Obama by just five percentage points, 47% to 42%.

    “For Clinton, that five-point edge is down from a ten-point lead a week ago, a thirteen-point lead in mid-March and a fifteen-point advantage in early March.”

    If this margin holds and Clinton only take PA by a 5% margin then she is truly toast.

  • “Well, could you imagine if Rocky Balboa had gotten half way up those Art Museum steps and said, “Well, I guess that’s about far enough?”

    Try to listen to the audio of this. She trots out the Bad Southern Accent for this instead of the Bad Italian Accent. Really, really awkward.

  • doubtful@15: Yeah, but what if Kane had lasted a few more moments so he could explain “rosebud”? That would have disenfranchised viewers, since taking the full length of the movie to explain is part of America’s democratic heritage. Anyone who thinks Hillary should drop out hates classic movies.

  • It seems to me if the campaign’s message is about the campaign, it’s a plea for donors to step up for her. What other possible reason could she have? The ‘Obama wants her to drop out’ meme is beyond silly on it’s face. I can’t get my head around it for the life of me. What candidate, for any office, wouldn’t like for their opponent to drop out the competition? I have to wonder if this focus on the campaign isn’t a segue to ending it.
    If this isn’t the beginning of the end, I don’t know what to make of it.

  • Sounds like team HRC is going to the sympathy well yet again. That man said something mean, so c’mon, give us more money or the mean people win.

    She’s also back into WTF territory. Obama explicitly says she can keep making a fool of herself as long as she wants, and she seems to agree. Hillary can’t pay her bills or remember whether she was shot at or not. Her husband thinks he can convince us that Obama wasn’t really against the war, and that Hillary has a real chance of winning.

    I’m pretty sure the Clintons will lie about staying in the race, too. Meanwhile they’ll keep collecting donations from her followers, rather than dip into the millions she got from she-ain’t-tellin’-who.

    Here’s one thing that might be keeping her going: I think her supporters are going to be as pissed at her as the rest of us are when she finally drops out.

  • The current Clinton rhetoric is that Obama wants to prevent late-voting states like PA from voting at all. This in spite of the fact that he’s said no such thing, and has in fact said she can go on campaigning as long as she likes.

    We’ve long suspected Hillary Clinton is still a Republican at heart. These days she is certainly lying like one.

  • The fatal flaw in Hillary openly campaigning for the sake of helping Hillary is that the people she is addressing have their own problems with the economy and wars and other matters of state that they are hoping she will be the person to solve. By Hillary narcissistically focusing on Hillary to the detriment of focusing on national issues instead, she looks less and less like the person to put into office to take care of our national problems. Obama is acting much more like a president by talking about the war and the problems with Wall Street than Hillary “I’m in this for me” Clinton.

  • uh, hillary? rocky lost his first championship fight. not sure that’s the message you want to push.

    “our love started off like romeo & juliet, but it ended in tragedy.”

  • Rocky Balboa?

    She has something in common with him? He was a fighter, all right, and she’s treating the campaign as a fight between her and Obama.

    But Obama’s treating this campaign as a race between him and Clinton, not a fight. And he’s winning.

  • This reminds me of another classic movie ‘”Airheads”, where three deadenders take over a radio station to get their demo tape played. At one point Brandon Fraiser’s character says the reason he is doing this is to get his message out. The DJ gives him the mic and asks him what he wants people to know. But he can’t think of anything, so after a long pause he just shouts out “Rock and Roll”. It’s funny because sometimes people who think they are important really have no purpose. And that kind of defines Hillary.

  • How can Hillary Clinton push herself as a dynamic and forceful leader, a “strong woman”, when every time she runs into an obstacle, she frames it as being put in her path by forces that do not want a woman to succeed?

    That might work with guilt-ridden North Americans, but how will it play in, say, the Ballistic Missile Defence dust-up with the Russians? Is she going to be able to sell the impression that Valdimir Putin is just opposed to women succeeding at international diplomacy and foreign policy? My guess is, not so much.

    You can’t be a crybaby and a prizefighter at the same time, landing knockout punches in between wiping your eyes.

  • With each passing day, the Clinton campaign slips a little closer to exposing itself as just another shadow of the administration we’ve already got. It’s no longer “just about her:” rather, it’s about intentionally choosing a course of action that will severely cripple all efforts to take the WH away from the ReThugs.

    The only people who are important are the ones who have supported her viewpoint; all others are irrelevant.

    The only people who should be deciding this are the people who accept her viewpoint; all others are irrelevant.

    The only issues worthy of discussion are the issues chosen by her; all others are irrelevant.

    She has shown herself to be little more than a “quisling” for the GOP. She embraces their memes and talking points; she patronizes their “network” to the point of inflicting severe nausea; she goes out of her way to support the policies of Bu$h and the qualifications of McSame. Her campaign is nothing more than a Manchurian effort to further empower the status quo of “staying the course.”

    She has morphed into everything the Democratic Party and its principles stand against, save one detail: she has yet to take for herself the label of “Republican.”

    If she is a Republican in all but name only, then she is, without any shred of doubt whatsoever, a Republican. And maybe—just maybe, mind you—the people who have yet to vote will realize this before they vote, because unlike Ohio, they can still change their minds.

  • “our love started off like romeo & juliet, but it ended in tragedy.”

    LMAO!

  • My question is, does she even understand that Rocky first goes 15 rounds with the champ and loses!? Is she really saying that she is going to come back and win in 2012! Good luck with that. And then she wins a third term against Mr. T. Or something.

  • Are you trying to seriously tell me the only thing Senator Clinton says in a stump speach today is ‘the campaign must go on’?

    How exactly is she responsible for what you pick out of the MSM picking out from her speaches.

    I remind you according to your theories she can neither talk about Senator Obama’s lack of experience or set up a comparison to Senator McCain without your SCREAMING ‘disrespect’.

    Give it a break Steve.

  • Lance (33) Feel free to say something nice about Hillary. Frankly, there has been precious little of that from her supporters in the last couple of months.

  • For all you Hillary haters Hillary never said that Obama wanted her to drop out she said his supporters said it.

    So therefore no matter what either you can’t read or just read what you want because you hate so much. Is that really the message that Obama supporters want to send to Hillary supporters that you HATE.

  • I had, until recently–when Hillary Clinton started her negative and devisive campaigning against her fellow Democratic presidential contender and praise for McCain in his Republican bid for the presidency–made it a point to state to my friends and relatives, that, though I’m a Barack Obama supporter in his bid to become the Democratic presidential nominee and elected president, I would be an enthusiastic campaigner and voter for Hillary in the general election, if she won the Democratic presidential nomination.

    My aforementioned pledge to become an enthusiastic supporter and voter of Hillary in the general election, if she won the Democratic presidential nomination instead of Obama, was based as being, until recently, a very satisfied constituent of hers in her current position as the junior senator from New York State, because of her personalized and prompt e-mailed replies to my e-mailed requests to her for her sponsorship or co-sponsorship of legislation relating to the domestic and foreign policy concerns of mine.

    If, in her apparent insistence to continue finding (to me) underhanded and, undeserved, means to overturn the majority of Democratic voters’ choice for the Democratic presidential nomination, I hope that she not only loses her bid to become president of United States, but also loses any bid to be reelected as the junior U.S. senator from New York State. She would have justly deserved, in my humble opinion as a once-admiring and highly satisfied supporter of hers, a hopefully resounding rejection from the voters–be it statewide or national–in any future political ambitions of hers, in response to her now-apparent disdain for the democratic process that, would be to the detriment–not betterment–of the nation and her fellow Americans.

  • Watch for Hillary to switch in midstream and bite a piece of his ear off…

    (Just honoring her metaphor…)

  • Hey, Comeback Bill!!! Good to see you, I heard a rumour you were crushed under a pile of “Hillary for President” posters. I’m glad to learn that it wasn’t true.

    So, just to get serious for a moment – does this mean you won’t be voting for Obama?

  • I would like to make a slight clarification–and correction–of my previous posting @ 37 above, last paragraph: “…I hope that she not only loses her bid to become president of the United States, …” should have read, “I hope that she not only loses her bid to become the Democratic presidential nominee,…”

  • Feel free to say something nice about Hillary. Frankly, there has been precious little of that from her supporters in the last couple of months.

    Seriously. There’s got to be a better way to make a case for Clinton than complaining about her opponent and the media.

    Isn’t there? Or is that all you people have?

  • I lead a group in FL to not vote for president in 08 just local politicians and amendments.

  • Watch for Hillary to switch in midstream and bite a piece of his ear off…

    Well, just to get a friendly dig in against my chosen candidate, they do make for a big target…

  • Jesseaw said: …her apparent insistence to continue finding (to me) underhanded and, undeserved, means to overturn the majority of Democratic voters’ choice for the Democratic presidential nomination,

    Um, all the votes haven’t been counted because all the votes haven’t been cast. Obama has the majority of votes to date, but there are more primaries, so that’s all you can say he has. I understand that it is more likely than not that Obama will end up with the majority of the Democratic voters’ votes, but that is not a guarantee. That’s why they hold the elections and caucuses and tally the votes.

  • I’d have no problem with her staying in, if she was campaigning on real issues and not just bashing obama and making excuses, distractions and drama. That’s the Clinton style, but it’s a shame because she’s incredibly talented.

  • I lead a group in FL to not vote for president in 08 just local politicians and amendments. -Goaway Bill

    What a coincidence. I lead a group in the rest of the United States voting to just go ahead and give Florida to Cuba since they’ve absolutely incompetent when it comes to election matters.

  • Is Clinton trying to piss off Democratic voters? Seriously. I want her to show me where Obama said he wants Clinton to withdraw. I remember seeing a quote that is the direct opposite. Now he may in his mind want it but he would never be so stupid as to say it out loud.

    Every time I get over my small snit over some piece of shit nonsense the Clinton campaign throws out they up and pull some other piece of crap out of their magic hat. Clinton keeps this shit up and there will be a lot of passionate Obama supporter and mainline Democrats that stay home if for no other reason than they are fed up with that shit and just want her to go away.

    Pardon my French but camp Clinton is really pissing me off.

  • I thought Comeback Bill would be in Cuba by now. So many promises, so little action.

  • I understand that it is more likely than not that Obama will end up with the majority of the Democratic voters’ votes, but that is not a guarantee. That’s why they hold the elections and caucuses and tally the votes.

    True. But can you offer a plausible scenario in which Hillary makes up the delegate gap in the remaining primaries? As far as I can tell from crunching the numbers, she’d pretty much have to run the table with 65% wins in every one, and that’s just not going to happen. Even if you add in the unlikely scenariop of revotes in MI and FL, it’d have to be a 60-40 run across the table.

    Feel free to try and find a scenario that works and show it to us, but I don’t see it. Slate has an easy delegate calculator where you can try out all sorts of scenarios: http://www.slate.com/id/2185278/

    Anyway, if she can’t make up the delegate lead in the primaries, then she’s arguing that the superdelegates need to intervene at the convention and overrule the will of the primary voters. That’s their right, of course, but it sort of directly contradicts her constant refrain these days about how we need to let everyone have their vote count. And also it seems unlikely given the fact that the supers have been trending Obama’s way by more than a 6-to-1 margin over the last month.

  • I don’t know; I’m beginning to like Comeback Bill. After all, if that kind of stubborn determination were at your back instead of in your face, it’d be welcome, right? He’s just misdirected, that’s all. We need your strength, Bill; come on, let that ol’ black magic take you in its spell….

  • Hillary is absolutely scraping the bottom of the barrel:

    Hillary Clinton Challenges Obama To Bowl Off

    She’s like a leg-humping dog that just WON’T go away. If she wants to stay in the race, why the hell doesn’t she start campaigning against McCain? Voters undecided between her and Obama would certainly get a better idea about their ability to best John McCain in the GE than constantly saying, “Oh, NO, here she comes again with something stupid.”

  • In further clarification of my comments @ 37 and 40: I am not now, nor have I ever been–nor will–a Hillary “hater,” nor would I be opposed to the continuation of the process of determining the Democratic presidential nominee if there was an immediate stop–from both campaigns–of the current bitter and devisive infighting between both the Clinton and Obama campaigns and supporters, as long as there is a return to positive, issue-focused campaigning for *all* registered Democratic voters to determine their choice in the selection of the Democratic presidential nominee.

    Both presidential campaigns and their supporters should realize this should be a race–not a bitter fight–for the Democratic presidential nomination. That’s all I ask as a longtime and loyal Democrat.

  • “This IS the same Hilary who complained about speeches being nothing more than empty words, right?”

    Only when they’re about policy platforms or if they’re especially inspirational. When they’re “anti-American” or discuss institutional racism, they’re dangerous and filled with meaning, and one should walk out on them.

  • On April 1st, 2008 at 3:41 pm, aristedes said:
    Hillary is absolutely scraping the bottom of the barrel:
    Hillary Clinton Challenges Obama To Bowl Off
    She’s like a leg-humping dog that just WON’T go away.

    Yet another example of someone either without a sense of humor or so consumed that they don’t bother reading beyond the headline. It was an April Fool’s joke, for gosh sakes. BTW, tasteful metaphor there.

  • If you focus on the issue, then it becomes an issue. By focusing on Clinton’s desire to stay in the race, she will continue to stay in the race.

    The media is pretty stupid when it comes to psychology.

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  • On April 1st, 2008 at 3:24 pm, TR said:
    (Quoting Ralph:) I understand that it is more likely than not that Obama will end up with the majority of the Democratic voters’ votes, but that is not a guarantee. That’s why they hold the elections and caucuses and tally the votes.

    True. But can you offer a plausible scenario in which Hillary makes up the delegate gap in the remaining primaries? As far as I can tell from crunching the numbers, she’d pretty much have to run the table with 65% wins in every one, and that’s just not going to happen. Even if you add in the unlikely scenariop of revotes in MI and FL, it’d have to be a 60-40 run across the table.

    Well, you just offered a scenario. Some would say it’s plausible. I wouldn’t, but that wasn’t the point, anyway. The point was that one cannot make an assumption a fact just by stating it as a fact. If Jesseaw had made your argument and presented it as such, fine. But that wasn’t what was posted. What was posted was an assumption stated as a fact.

  • Ralph

    No, it wasn’t a joke, though she intended people to laugh. It was a campaign speech, using a joke as a cover. Maybe Obama should challenge her to a 1-on-1 basketball game under sniper fire to shut her up. Think anybody would laugh?

    Many of us wonder, we really do, why she’s so obsessed with Obama, focusing her unrelenting attention on him — she claims she’s going to stay in this race until August. and this is all we have to anticipate? Attack after attack? Nobody much would mind if she stayed in the race and began to campaign against McCain. He’s said so much off-the-wall lately that any Democrat could cream him. She might even pull some wavering Obama supporters her way if she did it well and Obama didn’t. But as things stand now, she’s seen as playing dirty politics against Obama, grabbing the limelight and wasting time making all the hullabaloo about her campaign, and losing sight of the whole point of campaigning in the first place.

  • It’s her only play. The math is essentially impossible.

    According to CNN she’s down 171 Pledged delegates.

    PA awards 28% of the remaining pledged delegates.

    To keep on pace for catching Obama HRC needs to have a net gain of 48 delegates out of PA (She gets 103, he gets 55). To do that she needs a winning margin of 30% points.

    The math simply isn’t there.

    I put some of this in Google spreadsheets

    http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=pHLqqCbSQUs38XWzQnjwacA

  • hillary backers what colour is the sky in your world if it blue allthe time you need to go to the hospital why would you vote for someone when hillary and billary have to go to court this year for taking dirty money for there campaign funds if you don/t believe me check it out yourself have a nice day

  • Don’t forget, after Iowa she said that it was time for the “fun part”.

    I hope that the Clinton campaign keeps working the Rocky metaphor. They should release a video of her jogging while Bill rides a bike and yells at her; she could punch sides of beef and everything. I bet it would get a bazillion hits on YouTube.

  • The zingers just keep coming! I haven’t laughed so much about one of these threads in about a year; CB is occasionally very funny – or, more properly, the commenters are very funny when the subject is sufficiently absurd. Lex, you might want to think about a career in standup.

  • I’m not so sure that I agree with Steve and many of the posts here. I believe that us educated folks may not be interested in her blather, but she is appealing to white working class and poor whites and white elderly folks. Lots of these folks are hurting and they are frightened for themselves and their families and, some significant number of them have a tendency to blame others categorically.

    If they have any doubts about Obama, all they hear is “He’s trying to steal votes.” “Obama’s Minister, who he is very close to, is a hatemonger.” “Black Man.” “Elitist.”(As if Hill and Bill haven’t become greatly affectionate with the perks and as if they weren’t both deeply intelligent and sophisticated people.) “Obama’s not to be trusted.” “The Rs will use Wright to defeat Obama and we’ll all lose.”

    Negative campaigning works!

    It also has consequences. All Hill Co.’s sliming has splashed back on them redoubled and brought both Dems down in head-to-heads with McCain.

    Ironically, if Hillary had courage and real confidence in her core values, she would demonstrate her character and Presidential leadership by confronting the racists and denouncing the fear mongers.

    I have great faith in the American people, including those at least partially motivated by racial or gender bias. Many are willing to be educated. But their sure not getting much illumination from the Clintons.

  • For all you Hillary haters Hillary never said that Obama wanted her to drop out Comeback Bill@35

    Click the link below, Scumback Bill, and watch the video out of NC.

    http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/04/hillarys_new_strategy_telling.php

    Two words, Bill: You lie. She’s been spinning this across PA and NC for three solid days, and it’s going to rip the stilts out from under her just like the overemphasized bigotry on Wright, and the phony sniper bullets, and the crap with threatening the supers. At this rate, she’ll be lucky to even win PA now. She’s going to lose NC by more than 20 points, maybe even by 30 points. Indiana should start tipping his way within a day or two—Hoosiers don’t care for liars, either.

    It’s not going to take until the Convention to end this thing, and it’s probably not going to take until July, either. I’d look to target this thing by the Ides of June.

    Sunday, June 15, 2008: Funeral for the Clinton dynasty. Grave-dancing and free no-limit bar immediately afterwards.

  • I believe that us educated folks may not be interested in her blather, but she is appealing to white working class and poor whites and white elderly folks. -sabatia

    It’s not the ‘blather,’ it’s the math. No matter how much she kisses unengaged ass, she can’t win, and all she does is stand in the way of raising money for the general and attacking McCain.

  • @sabatia

    “Ironically, if Hillary had courage and real confidence in her core values, she would demonstrate her character and Presidential leadership by confronting the racists and denouncing the fear mongers.”

    I couldnt agree with this sentiment more. Clinton had a real chance to take the highest of roads and come off looking noble and presidential. All she had to say was something like:

    “You know, I find some of the statements of Rev Wright to be very concerning, etc., etc, but to use thse words as some sort of character association with my opponent or a reflection of my opponents values I take umbrage with” and go on to praise Obama as a good dem with good values.

    There have been so many instances where Clinton could have taken the high road and been a magnanimous dem, which would have shown her to be above politics and given her a more elder stateman appearnace than simply that of a dirty politician. This would have added more to the experience mystique and cemented her position as more of the senior leader against a charismatic, motivated upstart.

    She had a chance with the Muslim slur “as far as I know”, she had chances when congratulating Obama on his wins, she had chances to thank states she didnt win for being there, etc. Shes had so many chances to show simple honest class and yet she failed almost everytime.

    I just get the feeling Clinton and her supporters view politics as a sport and they just dig and relish the fight. Its not about the policies, its about the politics. Whereas they are missing the biggest theme right now which is a backlash against such attitudes. People are tired of hating (or at least most people are) and they just want things to be nice for a while, especially since things look like they are going to go in the tank.

    Yet she cooses to be petty and choose the dumbest approach possible which leaves things open to all sorts of unnecessary untoward interpretations (racism, etc.). She just cant seem to help herself to come off as a political opportunist hack who enjoys being a political opportunist hack.

    Is it really that hard for her to high minded and show some class?

  • Leaving is not in her vocabulary, just as it’s not in the lexicon of the intestinal parasites that infect some people. In the twisted calculus of Clintonian logic, if you can’t win, then scorched earth is a reasonable second place alternative. Sadly, her female supporters are missing a critical fact in their insistence in her nomination. At some point in the future, a competent, honest, worthy female candidate for president will again emerge (for those confused by this description, I don’t mean Hill coming back). Clinton’s vile actions in this election will go a long way in fostering a blistering prejudice that will make this candidates’ task all that much harder. Just another reason to keep those hate-fires stoked, right Clintonistas?

  • It really may be time to consider where Hillary’s loyalties lie. All agree that she is smart, but that smartness doesn’t jive very well with ‘she can’t help herself’ in ‘inadvertently’ harming the Democratic party through harming its frontrunner.
    What if her loyalties have transferred over time to the moneyed elite class she and Bill have joined? What if she is fighting for that power group’s continuing status against the genuine grassroots threat posed by Obama’s campaign and potential presidency? That possibility makes more sense to me than some psychology about her personality. I consider this, especially in the fact of her stonewalling of relevant disclosures of tax returns, earmark requests, donors to the Clinton initiative and library funds, all of which information could undercut her campaign theme of wanting to speak for the ‘little people’.

  • Ummmmm, I beg to differ, re her “smartness.” This assertion re her intelligence (and his as well), has been made for so long and so passionately that people readily accept it, even as the evidence to support it is non-existent or contrary.

    I assume that one of the yardsticks that people employ for measuring intelligence is the fact that she is an attorney? Well, I hate to rain on your parade, but I know many stupid attorneys. The fact that she has an Ivy league pedigree? Well, I have one as well and let me tell you, not everyone at Harvard is a brain surgeon or rocket scientist, despite what they would like you to believe.

    I’m also unsure of the exact number of tries, but she DID NOT PASS her bar exam on the first try (nor do I believe, on the second) – hardly an indicator of excessively high intelligence. I think stupid people manifest stupidity by doing stupid things – claiming she was under sniper fire, when there were copious witnesses and video cameras suggesting otherwise for instance, or signing off on not counting the MI and Fl results, saying so on video and then coming back and trying to suggest otherwise.

    Two of the hallmarks of being really stupid are – 1) You think you are much, much smarter than everyone else, when you are clearly not. 2) You consistently and continuously do and say things that any reasonably intelligent person would think stupid – Bosnia sniper story, NAFTA, delegates in/now delegates out, questioning Obama’s credentials at U Chicago (that was inspired!), Iraq war, 35 year experience claims, etc. etc., In my opinion, she fulfills 1 & 2 quite completely….

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