When the right balks at pursuing al Qaeda

I have to admit, I didn’t see this one coming. I’d long assumed that if there were one thing the left and right could agree on, especially when it comes to foreign policy and counter-terrorism, it’s the pursuit of al Qaeda terrorists.

With this in mind, Barack Obama’s pronouncement in August hardly seemed controversial. He stated his belief that the U.S. would pursue high-value terrorist targets, even if they hid in Pakistan’s tribal areas. We would notify Pakistani officials of our efforts, Obama said, but we wouldn’t necessarily wait for anyone’s permission — which is fully in line with existing U.S. foreign policy.

For reasons that seem to defy common sense, much of the right has been whining ever since, suggesting Obama wants to “invade” Pakistan, and cares more about attacking al Qaeda than respecting Pakistan’s sovereign borders (the latter point is largely true). The successful attack on Abu Laith al-Libi last month seemed to lend credence to Obama’s policy.

And yet, the right still isn’t happy. Here’s the National Review’s David Freddoso, joining John McCain in questioning an aggressive terrorist-pursuit policy.

As much as I appreciate the idea of a dead terrorist, I don’t like what we did in Pakistan, and I really don’t like the fact that we’re bragging about it, or that a presidential candidate would openly discuss it as an option.

….But so powerful is Obamania that liberals can now praise even George W. Bush for doing something they would oppose under any other circumstances — all because of Obama’s ill-considered comments last year. That I cannot respect.

The logic for this Pakistan operation clearly flies in the face of every argument against invading Iraq — international law, sovereignty, respect for other countries, our standing in the world, etc…. That Obama’s supporters would hold it up as some kind of model is deeply puzzling to me.

Not nearly as puzzling as this entire line of thinking.

Why would liberals oppose targeted strikes against dangerous terrorists? What about Obama’s comments was “ill-considered”? How are these strikes in any way similar to invading and occupying Iraq?

As Kevin Drum put it:

The dynamics here are certainly turning deeply weird, aren’t they? Freddoso may have a point about liberal reaction (though a drone missile attack in tribal territories is hardly comparable to a massive invasion and multi-year occupation in the heart of the Arab world), but it looks like conservatives might have the mirror opposite problem. Is McCain going to paint himself into a corner and start claiming that he opposes covert attacks just because Obama has said he supports them? And will conservatives then be forced to follow along?

This is going to be one peculiar campaign if everyone starts bending themselves into a pretzel over this, with liberals defending covert strikes and conservatives trying to paint that attitude as reckless and naive. I can’t wait.

It’s truly bizarre. One gets the distinct impression that the right opposes Obama’s counter-terrorism position, not because he’s wrong, but because he’s a Dem whose opinions must be reflexively rejected regardless of merit. If Obama wants to pursue top al Qaeda operatives into Pakistan, Republicans argue, then the right answer is to not pursue top al Qaeda operatives into Pakistan.

Put it this way: what do you suppose the rhetoric would be like if the situation were reversed. If McCain had articulated Obama’s strategy, and Obama had taken up McCain’s argument. What would we be hearing right now? You know exactly what we’d hear — that only Republicans are willing to get tough with al Qaeda, Obama isn’t willing to follow AQ wherever they hide, one side’s tough and one side’s weak, etc.

And yet, the situation is reversed. How completely unexpected that the right would embrace a weak-on-terror platform in an election year.

What maroons! I wonder if the kool-aid is starting to have a bitter after-taste?

  • So, John McCain is willing to pursue Bin Laden to the Gates of Hell, but not Pakistan? Kinda says something about Pakistan, I imagine;>

  • “What would we be hearing right now? You know exactly what we’d hear — that only Republicans are willing to get tough with al Qaeda, Obama isn’t willing to follow AQ wherever they hide, one side’s tough and one side’s weak, etc.”

    At least Republicans are consistent from when Clinton bombed the Bin Laden camp in Afghanistan and Republicans started yelling “wag the dog”.

  • John McCain “says” he is willing to pursue ObL—but he knows what side his bread is buttered on. No ObL and no AQ means no thousand-year war with its prerequisite super-mega-mondo, redder-that-red, uber-freakish, bizarro-world terror alert with which to cower the masses.

  • “As much as I appreciate the idea of a dead terrorist, I don’t like what we did in Pakistan, and I really don’t like the fact that we’re bragging about it, or that a presidential candidate would openly discuss it as an option.”

    Translation: If you don’t have the guts to rip apart a whole country and jail their leader because you don’t like them, don’t you dare try to kill the leaders of the group that attacked us. If you want to be a real men, a TexASS man, you conquer countries, you don’t try catching terrorists that caused 9-11! Real TexASS men conquer, pussy Dems kill terrorists on our allies(?) land. Like Repugs give a shit about other nation’s sovereignty!

  • Might I also bring up the inconvenient nugget that Saddam Hussein, after threats agreed to all our demands, while Pakistan has been unable to deliver?

    Unable and unwilling are different and one less worthy of ire, but the result is the same. They harbor unacceptable risks to security. If Pakistan chose to obstruct strikes against the terror targets, would this qualify as harboring terrorists? The exact thing we invaded Afghanistan for with nearly unanimous consent of the people and Congress?

    The GOP doesn’t WANT to win this year, do they?
    It would make sense why they throw us all this ammo that will most certainly be used to ventilate their nominee with holes.

    I won’t attack Al Queda, I’m terrible at economics, and I hate puppies. Anything else you need? Oh did I mention I divorced then married for money? Maybe Rudy can loan me a dress….

  • The Republicans are being perfectly consistent. They believe that they and the people they like should be subject to different rules than the people they don’t like.

    That’s why it’s okay, for example, to go after a Democrat with all guns blazing when he lies to cover up a consentual affiar. But of course, it’s an overreacation to give one of them gets jail time for lying to cover up the revealing of the identity of an undercover CIA agent. A corporate executive can rip off thousands of investors, but when he’s sued to recover the money it’s okay for him to declare bankruptcy and keep his multi-million dollar house. Republicans don’t want to see his family suffer for his mistakes. But if a working guy gets talked into a mortgage that’s more than he can afford, it’s okay for him to lose his house. Republicans don’t care whether his family suffers.

    It’s not just Pakistan that the Rebublicans consider off-limits. Republicans love dictators — as long as they follow policies that support international corporations and buy into the so-called “war on terrorism”. If Obama suggested attacking terrorists inside Saudia Arabia, I think the Republicans heads would literally explode. And Dubai, another country that gave an assist to the 9 – 11 hijackers, would be equally off limits.

    Republicans insist that the U.S. must maintain crushing sanctions against Cuba because Cuba holds several hundred political prisoners. How many political prisoners are there in Saudi Arabia? In Egypt? In China? In Israel?

    This is yet another example of Democrats being agonizingly, heartbreakingly inept at shaping the debate and being able to point out how wrong a Republican policy is.

  • Ooops.

    This is yet another example of Democrats being agonizingly, heartbreakingly inept at shaping the debate and being UNABLE to point out how wrong a Republican policy is.

  • Thugs want to appear tough on terrorists, they don’t actually want to succeed at stopping terror or accidently give the appearance that they have stopped terror. The endless war on terror is a dream come true for them. It achieves all of their objectives: All the Money, an intimidated populace, a security(police) state, a government powerless to do anything without corporate approval.

  • SteveT: “Republicans insist that the U.S. must maintain crushing sanctions against Cuba because Cuba holds several hundred political prisoners. How many political prisoners are there in Saudi Arabia? In Egypt? In China? In Israel?”
    Think you forgot America? When the current DOJ political corruption prosecutions run 77% Democrats to 11% Republicans, it proves one of two things: Either Democrats are more corrupt than even Repugs would think, or we know have a lot of political prisoners. Pre 1/2001 rules about the basis for prosecution no longer apply. It’s not the crime anymore being prosecuted, it is which party a politician belongs to that is now the basis for prosecution.

    How far we have sunk in 7+ years, and with McCain, the sinking will only continue!

  • 1)IOKIYAR

    2)Nothing is OK if you are not a Republican

    3)Republicans get to set all the rules of what’s OK or not OK at anytime and any inconsistancy is to be ignored. If you point out any inconsistancy, you will be attacked without mercy.

    What’s so hard about that?

  • This isn’t surprising if you’ve followed how this administration has viewed Al Qaeda. The Clinton Administration told Bush he would spend most of his time thinking about Bin Laden, and ABC meant therefore laughing it off and ignoring it, as Rice did. It’s why they didn’t pay attention to the Intelligence briefing of a coming attack. It’s why Rumsfield and Cheney only reluctantly agreed to make a stop in Afghanistan on their way to the big prize. It’s why Afghanistan was left to whither on the vine, and Rumsfeld couldn’t spare one life to wipe out Bin Laden and Al Qaeda in Tora Bora. It’s why Afghanistan has only gotten a fraction of the attention, and they have no desire to cross the border: because they thought it was Saddam Hussein, and these guys can’t ever admit a mistake. So the next six years have been spent pretending Afghanistan has nothing to do with this war.

  • McCain would seek a permission slip from France, er, ah, I mean Pakistan before attacking al Qaeda.

  • We have a Cuban terrorists living in Florida who brutalized and tortured Cubans, strangling babies in front of their mothers, putting cigarettes out on babies. raping and murdering subjects by the hundreds. If Cuba flew a drone into Florida and blew up the house where he was or the restaurant where he was eating with friends, how would Americans feel about that? Would it be considered an act of war? Why do we think we can go into other countries without their permission to attack suspected terrorists? This is in violation of our UN treaties? So why threaten to do what we’ve agreed with the world not to do?

    This is a pissing contest where only one side is pissing. I know of no ‘liberal’ praising Bush’s action. We must have had the permission of Pakistan authorities right? They obviously approved the plan right? Obama would not assume imperial dictatorial powers using terrorism as justification to invade countries and steal their resources.
    (WORM) What Obama really meant is that Pakistan cannot pretend to be our friends and then harbor terrorists. If they do so and are just too powerless to go after terrorists then Obama will send troops to do it for them…right? Still the question remains, what about the terrorists we harbor if foreign gov. insist they are terrorists and need to be brought to justice?

  • Think about this for a moment. The Right’s most successful propaganda has been their “tough on terror” bit. In a sentence Obama has ended it, and they are trying to help him.

  • btw…OBL is dead and al qaeda is an enemy neocons created to force their economic policies on the world. Just look at what they did to Chile and Brazil. The wealthiest are playing for world domination through economic military control, playing Monopoly with our lives.

  • Talking tough on terror has been the Republicans calling card, but it’s only talk. Chasing terrorists to the gates of hell, dead or alive, we will hunt them down, bring evildoers to justice … what a load of crap.

    Tom Cleaver’s got it right, the fear card only works when you have someone or something to fear. Once Republicans lose the object of their fear they lose their power. The Osama bin Laden’s, the Willie Hortons, Communists under your desk, they all serve a purpose to the right wing. But who’s going to cower when the Republicans cry wolf if everyone knows the wolf is dead?

  • This is what I’ve been talking about for awhile now: The Republicans are idiots when it comes to attacks. They attack EVERYTHING. EVERYTHING. That’s the same mistake Hillary keeps making. If you attack everything your opponent does, you lessen the impact of all your attacks and you’ll end up attacking stuff you shouldn’t. That’s one big reason why the vaunted Rightwing Smear Machine is so over-rated; they really don’t know the difference between a good and bad attack.

    Of course, many of these rightwing attacks are nothing more than attempts at getting us to go in the wrong direction. Like in this case, Obama was supposed to backtrack from his statement and say he wouldn’t bomb Pakistan without permission. And that’s when they’d REALLY strike, as that’s the position they want him to have. But Barack seems far to smart to fall for these old ruses, which is yet another reason why he should be our next president: He’s been paying attention.

  • The logic for this Pakistan operation clearly flies in the face of every argument against invading Iraq — international law, sovereignty, respect for other countries, our standing in the world, etc…. — Freddoso, @ Natl Review

    Apart from the fact that there’s a difference between a single action and a full-time invasion and occupation…One of the main objections to the I-wreck fiasco — conveniently not mentioned by Freddoso — is that Iraq had *nothing to do with either 9/11 or al Qaeda.

    Our invasion of Iraq can be compared to that drunk who was looking for his keys not where he dropped them but near a lamppost, because there was more light there. Likewise, Freddoso’s calculations aren’t 2+3=5, but 2+whatever=5, where “whatever” is literally whatever will fit to get an a priori, assumed, answer. It’s very easy to have your argument come out right, if you argue from a false premise…

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