Where we’re not wanted

Yesterday, Atrios offered a blunt-but-accurate assessment of the U.S. presence in Iraq: “When an occupying force is seen by a sufficient number of the people as an unwelcome occupier to be opposed, then there’s no way that occupier can be responsible for creating and maintaining order.”

The NYT’s Nicholas Kristof fleshed this point out in more detail today, noting that about a fifth of Iraqis believes the U.S. troop presence improves security in Iraq, whereas 69% believe our presence is making security worse.

We simply can’t want to be in Iraq more than the Iraqis want us to be there. That poll of Iraqis, conducted by the BBC and other news organizations, found that only 22 percent of Iraqis support the presence of coalition troops in Iraq, down from 32 percent in 2005.

If Iraqis were pleading with us to stay and quell the violence, maybe we would have a moral responsibility to stay. But when Iraqis are begging us to leave, and saying that we are making things worse, then it’s remarkably presumptuous to overrule their wishes and stay indefinitely because, as President Bush termed it in his speech on Tuesday, “it is necessary work.” […]

Just because President Bush says something doesn’t mean it is fatuous. It’s true, for example, that our withdrawal may lead to worse horrors in Iraq. But don’t ignore the alternative possibility, believed overwhelmingly by Iraqis themselves, that our departure will make things better.

I don’t doubt that there are Iraqis, many of them in positions of influence, who believe American troops should stay in the country for the indefinite future. But Kristof is surely right that most of the nation disagrees and wants us gone. Indeed, there’s ample evidence that an open-ended commitment fuels an insurgency that perceives us as long-term occupiers.

This isn’t exactly breaking news — we’ve known this for a while — but Kristof’s reminder is helpful, especially given the ongoing debate in Congress.

Kristof also explores the financial costs associated with a misguided war policy.

[T]he average cost of posting a single U.S. soldier in Iraq has risen to $390,000 per year, according to a new study by the Congressional Research Service. This fiscal year alone, Iraq will cost us $135 billion, which amounts to a bit more than a quarter-million dollars per minute. […]

We can’t afford universal health care at home — but we can afford more than $10 billion a month so that American troops can be maimed in a country where they aren’t wanted? If we take the total eventual cost of the Iraq war, that sum could be used to finance health care for all uninsured Americans for perhaps 30 years.

Or imagine if we invested just two weeks’ worth of the Iraq spending to fight malaria, de-worm children around the globe and reduce maternal mortality. Those humanitarian projects would save vast numbers of lives and help restore America’s standing in the world.

As a rule, I avoid this kind of argument. Budget policy is tricky, and policies cost what they cost. But with DOD appropriations on the table, war supporters are nevertheless confronted with an untenable proposition — they not only have to defend failure, they have to defend enormous investments in that failure.

It’s not unreasonable to ask them, “Is there a better use for those resources?”

But when Iraqis are begging us to leave, and saying that we are making things worse, then it’s remarkably presumptuous to overrule their wishes and stay indefinitely because, as President Bush termed it in his speech on Tuesday, “it is necessary work.”

Unfortunately, the history of that part of the world (and so many others) is that the white man has always known what the brown man needs.

  • If Bush wants to give Iraq a democracy, why not let them vote on whether we stay or go? While they’re at it, they could also vote on partitioning the country.

  • It’s not unreasonable to ask them, “Is there a better use for those resources?”

    Yes, but the No Peace, More War Movement has bought wholesale into the Global War On a Tactic or a Psychological State (also known as Dick&Bush’s Global War On Truth).

    But like I’ve said before, even if one accepts the premise of the Global War On Terror(ism), aren’t the resources embezzled by the anational, amoral, imperial corporatists (otherwise known as Dick’s Private Empire) better used to support American National Security, as opposed to Iraqi National Security?

    If there is another mass-terrorism attack upon the American People prior to the end of the U.S. Military Occupation of Iraq/n, then one could logically conclude that the “war on terra” did not prevent terrorism attacks upon the American People.

  • What are the chances that the current Iraqi government goes down before we get half of our troops redeployed? What the hell do we do if it does? I’m not advocating that we should stay, just asking the question, because this may well be the predicament our armed forces fear the most.

  • The oil companies want us to stay there and make the region safe for kleptocracy.

    The rest of us don’t matter. We’re expendable. We don’t finance regimes, we just provide the taxes and the blood.

  • One gets the impression repeatedly the what the Iraqi people want is not on any Bush/Cheney “benchmarks to meet” agenda.

    It is likely accurate to suppose the Iraqis are about to get the full Arab Palestine WestBank/Gaza treatment like it or not.

    The Arab Palestinians had an election and voted to throw off the Israelis
    puppet Fatah and go with demonstrably more effective Hamas.

    Well…check out how Israel and the USA decided that was the wrong way to vote and what has taken place since. Gaza now is being fully turned into a free fire zone with Israel fully intent on displaying just how brutal the Israelis are capable of being.

    The Americans reaction to that? Well…help the Israelis be brutal.

    The Americans just prove over and over they are not the good guys in ME.

    Iraq is going to feel a heavy American boot. It surely appears that unless the Iraqis just give up and give in to American imperial desires they will suffer more and more.

    Expect the current Green Zone Iraqi puppet regime to be “removed” via some traditional American regime change tactics.

    Iraq. The Americans very own WestBank/Gaza in ME.

    As per the Israeli model the general thrust comes down to either killing them off,making refugees of them or fully debasing Iraq society.

    Go to zmag.org and visit the znet site there for more about American and Israeli conduct,history and current reveal of what is unfolding in Arab Palestine. The Gaza situation is a human rights crime taking place right now. Where is the United States on this? Ask Elliot Abrams. A guy who should be in jail but instead the Bush/Cheney gang put him in ME to put in place the worst of American ME policy views. It is pathetic what the United States stands for these days in ME.

  • I was never particularly avidly interested in military matters and war, nor was I encouraged to be by my family, but I always found them interesting growing up, so over the years books about military history and strategy made a small but significant minority of my reading material. My father, if anything, encouraged me to learn about computers and become a doctor, and our family didn’t have any special military tradition or other men in it who were big fans of the military, but my dad found the military a little neat and interesting too and we had some Soldier of Fortune magazines and some books about Patton and stuff like that in our garage.

    The above is just to explain how much I do know about military matters. Now here’s my opinion:

    This has a lot to do with how it’s said that the problems in Iraq can be solved politically, but not militarily. In the ancient world, there was a way armies dealt with situations like Iraq: if a conquered populace thought that maybe their best bet was to keep resisting no matter what, you just killed all of them (or the adult males at least, anyway), salted their fields, killed their animals, and burned their structures. Examples like this in turn made other peoples more compliant with conquest (to the point that Roman generals could even do the strategy one better, and reward peaceful submission with benevolent treatment) and reduced future resistance, when the reputation of the practice of the army spread.

    Here, our goals are incompatible with killing everyone in Iraq. Since Iraqi civillians are not (categorically) our enemies, but people we are trying to (supposedly) help live in peace with one another, we can’t just solve endless resistance with the only method that will solve it (total liquidation).

    It’s like chess- maybe our options are limited. If so then maybe our best option is to go. The accomplishments of the surge may prove to be more vanity then anything else- that is what we are all thinking, that its why the left does not support the surge.

  • By the way, I of course do not mean that there is any situation where us as modern western people with our modern norms would ever find it in our interest as a military option to slaughter civillians or commit war crimes. An assumption like that would, of coure, be reading way too much into my comments and would belie my words.

  • As a rule, I avoid this kind of argument. — CB

    As do most people, I noticed. I never could understand why. The concept of billions and trillions spent over the course of years is harder to imagine than the concept of $390K per soldier. That’s more within people’s general “ken” along the lines of “I support my family of 4 on xK a year”.

    Also self-centrism might not be a “nice” characteristic, but it’s universal; the appeal to it might change more people’s minds than an appeal to their “better selves”. Yet, most of those who want us to get the eff out of Iraq underuse that argument and try to stick to the high moral ground (our army in tatters, ditto our international reputation, etc, etc).

    How many rednecks in their pick-up trucks are likely to give a d… about the large picture, even assuming they get it? Probably not many. But tell them that it’s a choice between supporting a fat cat in the military/industrial complex (since that’s what “supporting each soldier in Iraq” means) on the one hand, and being able to get their kid to a dentist on the other, and they just might re-think their attitude…

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