White House calls Dems’ Iraq bill ‘well outside of the mainstream’

Today’s press briefing included a real gem from spokesperson Dana Perino on the looming standoff over how best to fund the troops in Iraq.

A reporter, who I believe was NBC’s David Gregory, noted that there’s clearly a chasm between the congressional spending bill (with a withdrawal timeline) and the White House’s demands for a spending bill (lots of money, no questions or conditions). “Where does the [White House] go from here in terms of negotiating with Congress in a way that can actually absorb the statement the Democrats have made about the desire to set a date certain to end the war?” the reporter asked. “Or is there zero room for compromise in this?”

Perino explained, “I wouldn’t say there’s zero room”; as long as Democrats give in to the president’s demands, she said, there’s room for movement. Perino added:

“Now, their proposal is well outside of the mainstream. This is not a moderate bill. It is contrary to the Baker-Hamilton report. It’s contrary to the judgment of the President’s military advisors, and it’s contrary to the unanimous judgment of our intelligence community.”

“Outside of the mainstream”? “Not a moderate bill”? Does Perino really want to go there?

This need not be complicated. Consider the latest Gallup poll.

Would you favor or oppose Congress taking each of the following actions in regards to the war in Iraq?

Requiring U.S. troops to meet strict readiness criteria before being deployed to Iraq: Favor 80%, Oppose 15%

Setting a time-table for withdrawing all U.S. troops from Iraq no later than the fall of 2008: Favor 60%, Oppose 38%

Americans overwhelmingly support the Democratic policy on the war and reject the White House’s policy. At a certain level, doesn’t this necessarily define the mainstream — i.e., where most Americans are?

Perino might also consider this Pew Forum poll.

A solid majority of Americans say they want their congressional representative to support a bill calling for a withdrawal of U.S. forces from Iraq by August 2008. Nearly six-in-ten (59%) say they would like to see their representative vote for such legislation, compared with just 33% who want their representative to oppose it.

By Perino’s logic, most Americans are outside the American mainstream, which if these words have any meaning, doesn’t make a lot of sense.

And for goodness sake, the Dems’ policy is contrary to the Baker-Hamilton report? First of all, that’s false; the Dems’ plan is very much in line with the Iraq Study Group’s general outline for the future of the war. Second of all, since when is the Bush White House even remotely concerned about the Baker-Hamilton report?

Although the president was publicly polite, few of the key Baker-Hamilton recommendations appealed to the administration, which intensified its own deliberations over a new “way forward” in Iraq. How to look distinctive from the study group became a recurring theme.

As described by participants in the administration review, some staff members on the National Security Council became enamored of the idea of sending more troops to Iraq in part because it was not a key feature of Baker-Hamilton. (emphasis added)

If the White House opposes the Democratic policy embraced by most Americans, fine. We can have a debate — a withdrawal timeline vs. an open-ended commitment to fighting in Iraq’s civil war indefinitely. But if the White House wants to argue that the “mainstream” position is the superior position, the Bush gang might as well give in now.

You keep forgetting that they have their own reality and everyone who works or speaks for the WH must subscribe to that reality.

There is nothing about their position or policy or commentary that comes even close to being representative of the American people, but this is not a president who listens to anything that does not comport with his own views. And surrounded as he is with people who enable him to live in this alternate reality, he ses no reason or need to make any changes in his position.

  • It is not within America’s power to “end the war.” All we can do is take our troops out of it so we don’t go off a cliff ourselves. The sooner the better.

    We have started a war we cannot control. America’s mouth has written a check its butt can’t cash, as it were. It’s sad but true.

    We need to get the fuck out of there.

  • It was Bush who recently said, to paraphrase, that he didnt care what the people want because he has a higher calling which history will vindicate.

  • “as long as Democrats give in to the president’s demands, she said, there’s room for movement”

    Sweet. As long as you do it my way…..I can be soooooo reasonable.

  • Perhaps we could ask Ms. Perino to remind all Americans that we need to clap louder. And if we clap loud enough, we can have “success” in Iraq, as well as saving Tinkerbell.
    It makes as much sense as everything else the Bushies have done in the war.

  • I agree with Ms. Perino. Most Americans are looking for something much stronger in terms of a requirement to end our involvement in the Iraq wars sooner rather than later.

  • Perhaps she means it is outside of the main stream of idiocy that gushes from the BushBrat’s mouth. Perhaps she means it is outside the main stream of the Flying Monkey’s consciousness.

    Or perhaps she’d just another lying hack.

    Worst. Administration. EVA.

  • A heavy sigh escapes me when I realize that Dana Perino is as big a White House tool as Tony Snow ever was. I’d so been hoping that someone that cute would somehow be less obviously a servant of the Dark Lord and his minion George Bush. Silly, silly me.

    (So I like cute ladies, ok? So shoot me. Actually, don’t. That would be mean.)

  • clearly, y’all do not qualify as “loyal Bushies.” Kyle Sampson will have you all replaced with bloggers who share the Prez’s priorities, and you’d best just be quiet about it or who knows what we’ll have the New Mexicans for Honest Blogs say about you in radio spots.

    (sorry, i’m in all purge all the time mode)

  • You know, I’ve been thinking a lot about this (something that can often be quite dangerous).

    On one hand, I don’t want ANY politician running any war — not even the President (regardless of affiliation). That’s best left to the military folks.

    On another, generals often get to where they are by playing politics within the DoD, and some are clueless twits.

    And on a Beeblebroxian third hand, every politician and military leader is there to serve us, the American people.

    At this point, seeing as Iraq is a clusterf*** of Biblical proportions, I’d say we go with the will of the people.

    Oh … and while I share Curmudgeon’s fondness for cuties, I don’t care what the White House spokesperson looks like — they will become uglier and uglier with each and every lie they tell.

  • “Mainstream” doesn’t include those little people who merely pay the taxes.

    “Mainstream” doesn’t include those hard working parents who fear that their sons’ and daughters’ deaths and dismemberments and ruined lives — not to mention bankrupting indebtedness — might be all for naught.

    “Mainstream” means the obscenely rich, preferably those already within the Bush Crime Family.

  • The Repug propaganda machine still hasn’t caught up. After being unchallenged for six years the spin-meisters and the ever ready echo chamber in the corporate media still think they CAN create their own reality. The 1/3 of the public who still buy into the greatest folly in American history, i.e., the Iraq war, are the mainstream for our delusional president because he only represents those who agree with him, and always has. The only thing Sonny has said that I believe is that he will stay the course even it only Laura and Barney (his dog) support him. After all God is his advisor, as he tells those he meets with, but the media doesn’t tell us.

  • Racerx,

    I know we’re off topic, but that Basilisk Lizard link is way cool. I’d love to see the video referenced in the article instead of just stills.

  • While, in general, the writing on Raising Kaine (the blog I read to get info specific to VA) isn’t anywhere near the the CBR’s standard, they did come up with a bit of very nice “framing” on the subject today.

    The headline of their article reads: “Bush Prepares to De-fund Troops”. Factual, short and catchy.

  • I get the feeling Dana Perino is not thinking up these lines on her own, but that they are being fed to her. I’d like to know who that is, especially if it’s our buddy MC Karl Rove. “Mainstream” enters the pantheon of meaningless, focus-grouped terms that sound good but have no value after someone in the Bush administration uses them for political gain. Put it up there with “freedom,” ‘democracy,” “terrorist,” “enemy combatant,” “security” and now most especially”recollection” that now no longer mean what I thought these words once meant.

  • The Repug propaganda machine still hasn’t caught up.

    Exactly. Right now, Rove and company are like General Motors in the late ’70s — still trying to sell the same piece-o-crap Chevys in a radically changed marketplace, and convincing themselves the import threat would somehow go away. (Real men, after all, don’t buy Japanese cars.)

    The Rovians appear to have no fresh ideas about how to deal with the collapse of support for the Iraq War, Bush’s deep unpopularity, the results of the November election, etc.

    Facing a similar situation in 1982, the generals in Argentina came up with the bright idea of invading the Falklands. Let’s just hope starting another war isn’t one of Rove’s new/old ideas.

  • Mainstream – a flow of Presidential urine upon the majority of the voters. See also “trickle down.”

  • #19 started a ‘chain of thought’ moment from my youth that went something like this: prez urine…trickle down =little yellow stream by I.P. Rainwater=yellow=chickenhawks=Bush-AWOL, Cheney-7 deferments-Rummie-no military service=Yeah, Right; too cowardly to fight the ‘real’ war of our generation-Vietnam, but too eager to send our children to fight a war – “of Their Generation” that the prior generatiom started by lying and ended up by our children dying.

  • What we have here is a failure to communicate. You think this is 2007? Think again. 9/11=1984 When they said “You are either with us or against us” and that they would “Create their own reality”, those were actual statements of their true policys. Once this is understood, it is easy to see that the “War On Terror” is actually a war of terror directly on you, the private individual American. “Mainstream” = “Same Shit Different Day”.
    All anyone needs to do to figure any of this out is learn how to speak Republican Corporatist Globalese, although there are a few weasle Democrats who speak their own dialect, which sounds basically the same as Gooperese, but throws occasional words like “healthcare” and “small business” into the mix. Once you do learn the language and understand the fundamental truth that all politicians and government fundamentally exist to spy on, interefere with, and prey upon you, then all of a sudden everything makes perfect sense. Hope this helps anyone who might still have been confused. Peaceout.

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  • Followup Note: Next time you hear a politician or anyone else talking about their deep commitment to “public service”, and why you must accept whatever they are pushing for reasons of “Public Service”, just recall Rod Serling’s Twilight Zone episode entitled “To Serve Man”. Turns out “Serving Man” meant, and means literally “Serving” you, on a platter, for the financial benefit of the self-proclaimed elite. Charming and lovely people, to be sure, these “leaders”, especially Dana Perrino. Look and listen a little more closely, however, and their actual agenda emerges, which is very ugly indeed. Sorry to have to break it to you, but the truth shall set you free, so sooner (especially considering the actual reality of the “reality” the Republican Globalist Corporatists have announced they “will create”) is alot better than later. Peaceout again.

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