White House, lawmakers reach deal on telecom immunity

At yesterday’s White House press conference, a reporter asked the president whether he could find “common ground” with the congressional majority on anything. Bush brought up FISA.

A few seconds after saying it was a “good law” that shouldn’t be changed, the president said, “[T]he law needs to be changed, enhanced, by providing the phone companies that allegedly helped us with liability protection. So we found common ground there.”

First, it wasn’t just “alleged”; the companies turned over phone records without warrants. Verizon has already admitted as much. Second, “we found common ground” on telecom amnesty? At least publicly, lawmakers and the White House were bitterly divided on the issue.

But privately, they’d apparently struck a deal.

Senate Democrats and Republicans reached agreement with the Bush administration yesterday on the terms of new legislation to control the federal government’s domestic surveillance program, which includes a highly controversial grant of legal immunity to telecommunications companies that have assisted the program, according to congressional sources. […]

The draft Senate bill has the support of the intelligence committee’s chairman, John D. Rockefeller IV (D-W.Va.), and Bush’s director of national intelligence, Mike McConnell. It will include full immunity for those companies that can demonstrate to a court that they acted pursuant to a legal directive in helping the government with surveillance in the United States.

Such a demonstration, which the bill says could be made in secret, would wipe out a series of pending lawsuits alleging violations of privacy rights by telecommunications companies that provided telephone records, summaries of e-mail traffic and other information to the government after Sept. 11, 2001, without receiving court warrants. Bush had repeatedly threatened to veto any legislation that lacked this provision.

Senate Dems got some new requirements about deciding who is to be the subject of warrantless surveillance, but as is too often the case, they got a little and gave up a lot.

When it comes to this immunity deal, I’m inclined to borrow a phrase from Attorney General nominee Michael Mukasey: “It’s worse than a sin; it’s a mistake.”

Lawmakers and the White House have agreed to provide retroactive immunity to companies that cooperated in secret with the NSA to violate customers’ privacy rights, apparently in violation of the law, long before a national emergency might have provided a legitimate rationale. These companies will be shielded from responsibility, before lawmakers even understand what exactly transpired.

The NYT editorial board suggested the other day that lawmakers might consider an immunity deal, but “the law should allow suits aimed at forcing disclosure of Mr. Bush’s actions [and it] should also require a full accounting to Congress of all surveillance conducted since 9/11.” Yesterday’s deal includes neither.

Glenn Greenwald emphasizes the fact that this deal short-circuits, without justification, a legal process that is already underway.

The question of whether the telecoms acted in “good faith” in allowing warrantless government spying on their customers is already pending before a court of law. In fact, that is one of the central issues in the current lawsuits — one that AT&T has already lost in a federal court.

Yet that is the issue that Jay Rockefeller and Mike McConnell — operating in secret — are taking away from the courts by passing a law declaring the telecoms to have won (“Senators this week began reviewing classified documents . . . and came away from that early review convinced that the companies had ‘acted in good faith’ in cooperating with what they believed was a legal and presidentially authorized program”). They are directly interfering in these lawsuits and issuing a “ruling” in favor of AT&T and other telecoms that is exactly the opposite of the one an actual court of law has already issued.

It’s really painful to watch.

It’s really painful to watch. but no supprise. I’ll stay home next year before I vote for these clowns again.

  • What is wrong with these people? Are they stupid? Brainwashed? Completely and utterly clueless?

    Pardon me for yelling, but WHY THE HELL ARE THEY COMPROMISING WITH A PRESIDENT WHO IS AT A 24% APPROVAL RATING, AND BEFORE WE KNOW WHAT THE HELL THE TELECOMS WERE UP TO IN THE FIRST PLACE???

    Sorry – none of this makes sense to me, no matter how hard I have tried to see it.

  • Kyl-Lieberman, pull the RESTORE act, and now this. Hell, I’m even starting to think of them as the Democrat party. The Senate Democrats are convincing me that they’re not merely spineless and parliamentarily inept, they’re actually colluding with the Republicans.

    Our party’s front-runner in the Presidential race is a sitting Senator. Can you say “Four more years”?

    Karl Rove must be resting easy in the knowledge that, although the Republicans lost their majority, many Dems are willing to carry on the work for them.

  • Dennis – and in fairness (or perhaps just to add company to the misery) to HRC, the next two behind her are another sitting senator and a former senator.

    There is a good reason Senators are rarely elected President. Bill RIchardson may be making his way back onto my short list.

  • “Er, probably explains in large part why Congress was at 11%”

    exactly. my contempt for congress has never been higher.

  • Ah, but wait! Arlen Specter could still shoot down the deal:

    Democrats warned yesterday that the Senate intelligence panel’s consensus bill must gain the approval of the Senate Judiciary Committee, whose chairman and ranking Republican have said, like their House counterparts, that they are wary of granting immunity to telecommunications companies.

    And since he said: “I’m not going to buy a pig in a poke and commit to retroactive immunity when I don’t know what went on”, all is well.

    Isn’t it?

  • More seriously, what is the significance of “full immunity for those companies that can demonstrate to a court that they acted pursuant to a legal directive in helping the government with surveillance in the United States”?

    What does “legal directive” mean? (From the WaPo story, it doesn’t seem to mean warrant.)

  • And the Dumbocrats continue to prove that point that ‘compromising’ with the Bushies is to give Bush everything he wants (legality & our Constitution be damned) and to publicly acknowledge that they are gutless, spineless wimps!

  • If they can demonstrate that they acted pursuant to a legal directive, let that be their defense, but don’t deny the aggrieved parties their day in court.

    Plus, who determines that a directive was legal in the first place?

    This is such bad law – or should I say, more bad law? – and no one seems to want to look past the ends of their noses to see what the larger implications and consequences are.

    There is no excuse for any of it.

  • Retroactive immunity ALWAYS “short-circuits” the legal process. It doesn’t even matter whether AT&T won or lost in the Federal courts.

    And what the hell is this? “full immunity for those companies that can demonstrate to a court that they acted pursuant to a legal directive in helping the government with surveillance in the United States”

    What “legal directive”, Mr. Rockefeller? I’d be curious to know – the law on the books say you have to get a warrant. Or is there some secret law I don’t know about? HELP!

  • New Zealand is looking like a nice place to live. I already have family over there. Canada may be too close, but at least they appear to have (for now) a government that listens to the people.

    When there is no rule of law, we devolve. When the rule of law can be sidestepped in clear favor of those who contribute financially to those who supposedly serve the people, there is no rule of law.

    We are devolving so fast it is scary.

  • Harry Reid reminds me of the inept fighter in “Kung Pao: Enter the Fist” who asks his opponent; “How do you like my Your Foot to My Balls Style?”

  • What news to wake up to – this is the Democrats caving in under the worst possible circumstances. Now even I believe these spineless whiners will have no resolve whatsoever to hold anyone in Shrubland accountable for any of the crimes they have committed over the last 7 years. What is wrong with these people? I am so pissed.

  • Once again the Washington Generals talk/play a fine game, and then somehow “lose” at the last minute.

    They sold us out again. They’re playing a very sick game and they’re betraying the constitution.

    The one thing I can think of, and it requires a little bit of tinfoil, but here goes: What did they Bushies come up with in their surveillance? How many Democrats now have axes poised over their necks because Karl Rove’s gang had access to the telecommunications networks for several years?

    Does anyone think that people who launch wars based on lies wouldn’t stoop to that?

  • Racerx, that’s a very good point. Very scary, too. There’s no stopping them now. Now I’m thinking about moving, too. And i’m joining those wondering IF we will have an election next year.

  • I’m kind of terrified to find out what kind of shenanigans we the people are granting them immunity on. Because, lets face it, the public would tend to be pretty forgiving of any “gray area” offense favoring security over privacy in the short-term after September 11. Most of America is *still* buying this argument. So what did they do that was so beyond the pale that we can’t even begin to talk about it?

    And Sarabeth, you’re kidding about Arlen Specter, right? But isn’t there *someone* who put a stop to this? Republicans can derail any bill they want, where’s Senator Feingold when you need him?

    How can retroactive immunity even be legal?

  • sagacity –

    don’t worry – we’ll have an election next year.

    of course the day before, national polls will show Clinton or Obama with a 10 point lead over Giuliani or Romney. exit polls will show voters agreeing with Dems on nearly all issues, and winning by 6 points.

    as the votes roll in, the actual votes and electoral vote count will seem strangely close. then some unexpected state will suddenly go Republican, letting the Repubs eke out an “amazing” comeback by tenths of a percent in popular vote and single-digits in electoral votes. Democrats will (maybe) cry “foul.” The press will call us whiners and complete the coronation. By the time any investigation happens, the records (such as they are on electronic machines) will be destroyed. The Supreme Court will rule that the election is over and that is that.

    So yeah, there will be an election next fall. No worries about that.

  • Add me to the list of people who are sick of these clowns, it the 2008 elections were today I wouldn’t bother voting. I seriously think it would be better to just switch right now to an outright theocracy for a few years so people can see how bad it sucks rather than giving away rights incrementally like this where most people don’t even notice.

  • Thanks for the reassurance, Zeitgeist.

    It’s also very reassuring that the Decider “shall lead the activities of the Federal Government for ensuring constitutional government” in case of a catastrophic emergency.

  • Ah, but wait! Arlen Specter could still shoot down the deal

    That, of course, is cold comfort. I think the best we may hope for, as short fuse has said, is that Feingold stops the bill. After all, the current bill expires in less than six months. In the mean time we can pursue the matter in the courts.

  • You’re welcome, JKap. I try to bring sunshine and daisies and happy puppy dogs to the blogosphere.

  • It’s amazing to see history repeat itself. Compare 1930’s Germany with the political environment we have now.

  • Zeitgeist has the crystal ball, after all it’s worked before. I am reminded of a quote.

    “It is enough that the people know there was an election. The people who cast the votes decide nothing. The people who count the votes decide everything. ” — Joseph Stalin

  • B…b…b…bbut Nader! The DLC has your nuts in a vise, boys. Gee, I wonder if the corporations and lobbyists know that.

  • Ah yes, Nader. . . parliamentary skills wouldn’t matter as much and we wouldn’t be worrying about the right strategy on a surveillance bill had there been a President Gore who would not have set up an illegal surveillance scheme in the first place. And we wouldn’t be worryng about strategies for S-CHIP because President Gore wouldn’t have vetoed the bill to begin with.

    But hey, Democratic President Gore, Republican President Bush – there isn’t a dime’s worth of difference, right?

    I get down on Pelosi, Reid and others often these days, but I never lose sight of how much better they are on policy and has human beings than Boehner, McConnell, Bush, Cheney, et al. And how much better Justice Ginsberg is than Justice Thomas – and how those decisions last 30 years. Rant, rave and try to prod our representatives, but don’t give in or tune out. Turning people off of politics, suppressing voting, is part of the Rethugs’ game.

  • Well, you guys might really enjoy this story about a fed-up 75-year old Comcast customer who whacked the bejesus out of their office computers and phone with a hammer.

    The reasons and possibilities for protest are gradually increasing as America gets more and more frustrated.

  • glenn greenwald reported on salon that dodd put a hold on the fisa bill. please go and read his remarks. so far, dodd seems to be the only democratic candidate who has made it clear that he will work to restore the constitution when he is elected president. i’m liking this guy more and more.

  • Thank God Cris Dodd put a hold on this bill. His web site is asking for you to sign his petition to prevent this bill from coming up for a vote. Go sign the petition and leave your comments on why this should not pass.

    This administration bribed the Telecoms with lucrative multi-million dollar contracts to get the unauthorized access to our personal records for any purpose they wanted, well before 9/11. The courts have already ruled that they broke the law and must reveal their activities and are about to lose their appeal in court and suddenly here comes the president and certain dems like Jay Wreck-a-feller to protect them. Wonder how much Jay cost them$$$. Telecoms have enough wealth to spread around the senate and the house and here come those dems jumping at the chance to get some $$$. BLANKET IMMUNITY EVEN BEFORE THEY REVEAL WHAT THEY NEED IMMUNITY FOR.

    No representative of the law or the constitution or of the rights to privacy would grant such amnesty without knowing what crimes have been committed unless they had been bought. Only Money would convince these dems to grant more power to the most unpopular president ever…the majority of the country doesn’t support him in this at all so why are they giving him what he demands against public support or opinion?….MONEY is the only answer. How much did you cost Jay…?

  • Chris Dodd is asking for your support if you support his “hold on the latest FISA bill that would have included amnesty for telecommunications companies that enabled the President’s assault on the Constitution by illegally providing personal information on their customers without judicial authorization. I said that I would do everything I could to stop this bill from passing, and I have.”

    Just an email to him at this site:

    http://action.chrisdodd.com/signUp.jsp?key=1570

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