Whose ‘judgment on Iraq’ has been ‘consistently wrong’?

Karl Rove’s main contribution to the strategic lexicon is the notion that candidates should identify their big weakness, and their rival’s big strength, and then go barreling head-first in that direction. It’s counter-intuitive, I know.

And yet, some candidates seem to like it. Yesterday, for example, John McCain argued that he’s shown better judgment on Iraq than Barack Obama, which, of course, doesn’t make any sense.

“The question before the American people is which candidate is best able to secure the peace for the next generation of Americans, a peace that will keep our nation safe, prosperous and free. Senator Obama’s desire to meet unconditionally in his first year at the presidential level with Iranian leaders is reckless, and demonstrates poor judgment that will make the world more dangerous…

“Senator Obama has consistently offered his judgment on Iraq, and he has been consistently wrong. He said that General Petraeus’ new strategy would not reduce sectarian violence, but would worsen it. He was wrong. He said the dynamics in Iraq would not change as a result of the ‘surge.’ He was wrong. One year ago, he voted to cut off all funds for our forces fighting extremists in Iraq. He was wrong…

“We continue to face challenges in Iraq, and we have a lot of work ahead. Yet the American people must ask whether we are more or less likely to succeed there if Senator Obama has his way.”

How very odd. McCain has gotten every aspect of the war wrong for six years, so his campaign pitch is that Obama — who’s been right from the start — has gotten every aspect of the war wrong. It’s like watching the campaign through a special prism that refracts reality.

Obama responded in a statement, “While I always appreciate hearing the news from John McCain, he should explain to the American people why almost every single promise and prediction that he has made about Iraq has turned to be catastrophically wrong, including his support for a surge that was supposed to achieve political reconciliation.”

Coincidentally, this morning, the LAT’s Rosa Brooks noted, “McCain’s the one presidential candidate pledging to continue the very Bush administration policies that got us into the mess we’re now in, and McCain’s record of getting it embarrassingly wrong on Iraq is virtually unparalleled.”

Here’s McCain, in his own words, getting Iraq wrong from Day One:

“Saddam Hussein [is] developing weapons of mass destruction as quickly as he can,” he informed Fox News in November 2001. By February 2003, McCain had upgraded Hussein’s capabilities and was warning Americans that “Hussein has the ability to … [turn] Iraq into a weapons assembly line for Al Qaeda’s network.”

Well, no. But never mind that. We won’t hold McCain responsible for the Bush administration’s cooking of the intelligence books.

So how’d McCain do on his other Iraq-related predictions?

On the Cheney/Rumsfeld Delusional Thinking Index, McCain scores a perfect 10 out of 10. “I believe that the success will be fairly easy,” he assured CNN’s Larry King in September 2002.

Quagmire? Insurgency? Naah. “We’re not going to get into house-to-house fighting,” he scoffed to Wolf Blitzer in 2002. “We’re not going to have a bloodletting.” In fact, by March 2003, McCain was positively giddy with Rumsfeldian enthusiasm: “There’s no doubt in my mind … we will be welcomed as liberators.”

When it came to predicting the sectarian conflicts that have wracked Iraq since we “liberated” it, McCain was equally off target. “There’s not a history of clashes that are violent between Sunnis and Shias,” he explained confidently on MSNBC in April 2003, “so I think they can probably get along.”

McCain’s had five long years since then to reflect on just how well Sunni and Shiite groups are getting along, but he’s still having a tough time keeping the whole thing straight. In Jordan this past March, he pronounced it “common knowledge … that Al Qaeda” — a Sunni-dominated group — “is going back into Iran” — a country led by hard-line Shiites — “and receiving training … from Iran.” Oops … no! Joe Lieberman, McCain’s new Mini-Me, whispered a correction in his ear, presumably explaining that the Iranian Shiites hate Sunni-dominated Al Qaeda and wouldn’t help the group if their lives depended on it.

A slip of the tongue on McCain’s part? That would be easier to buy if McCain hadn’t repeated variants of the claim on multiple occasions, insisting to a Texas audience in February that Iran was aiding Al Qaeda and wondering during Senate hearings if Al Qaeda in Iraq was “an obscure sect of the Shiites overall? … Or Sunnis or anybody else.”

So, to recap, McCain was wrong before the war (he said it would be easy, that Saddam had WMD, and that Iraq was connected to al Qaeda). He was wrong during the Rumsfeld years (he repeatedly said we had to “stay the course”). And finally, McCain said all we had to do was give Bush’s so-called “surge” a chance, and we’d finally see political reconciliation in Iraq. Strike three.

Who’s been “consistently wrong” on Iraq?

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  • I’m glad the first poster copied and pasted all that drivel. Were he to have typed all of that, he would’ve definitely missed the next train to Stupidtown, the capital city of Crazyvania, and they’ve really been missing their king lately.

  • Comment #1 must be from one of those McCain trolls that we read about yesterday.

    But I’m confused. I thought that the “Obama is a Muslim” thread had expired The new thread is that Obama had a crazy Christian pastor named Jeremiah Wright – who is BLACK!

    But I digress…

    The flip side of the Rovian strategy is to pretend that your own weakness is really your strength. Thus McCain bragging about being consistently right on Iraq.

    The response? A Murrow-inspired “McCain in His Own Words” on Iraq – clips of McCain spouting all of this nonsense. Followed by “I’m Barak Obama and I approved this message, because Americans should know where BOTH candidates REALLY stand on Iraq.”

  • Meanwhile, Stupidtown’s mayor & chief of police chimed in as well…

  • Whups… somehow I’ve gotten into the Rigorous Intution comment threads instead of The Carpetbagger Report… conspiracy theories, Michelle Obama Hates The Ofay, Obama is a Stealth Muslim, Obama Was Behind 9/11, Obama is really a UFO Alien Out To Subvert Our Precious Bodily Fluids…

    Oh, this is Carpetbagger Report?

    Geez. You people need to put down the Robitussin bottle and run some cold water on your heads, or something.

  • the use of the word judgement in relation to a discussion involving McSame is an exercise in cognitive dissonance

  • Good troll control – best to get them early. Now if a Hillarian wants to debate just why it is a good idea to overturn the will of the voters in a rational manner, then let them post.

    But as far as McCain goes, he’s enabled Bushes biggest blunders and been a principal cheerleader.

    With everything that has gone wrong in foriegn policy, McCain has been there. Sure he’s mubbled sheepishly time to time that we needed more troops, but he didn’t do a damn thing other than give Georgie hugs and kisses when it counted.

  • Maybe we should go a little easy on McCain for now, since he is releasing his medical records. Here’s an exerpt from the NYT:

    On Friday, the campaign will allow a small pool of reporters access to the records from 7 a.m. to 10 a.m. Pacific time in a conference room at the Copper Wind Resort in Phoenix, near the Mayo Clinic Scottsdale. The reporters will be allowed to take notes but not remove or photocopy the records. Campaign officials said they were imposing the restrictions to prevent the actual records from wide dissemination.

    It sounds like they are describing a viewing.

  • How many “points” do you get from the McCain campaign for comments 1,2 & 3? I have frequently suspected that some of the trolls are political operatives. Now, we have the McCain campaign actively encouraging their supporters to cut & paste their talking points on the comments section of progressive blogs. This is an attempt to shout down opposing opinion and a shameful development in the campaign. I have feeling that there could be some unpleasant blow-back for the campaign from these activities.

  • “Senator Obama has consistently offered his judgment on Iraq, and he has been consistently wrong. He said that General Petraeus’ new strategy would not reduce sectarian violence, but would worsen it. He was wrong. He said the dynamics in Iraq would not change as a result of the ’surge.’ He was wrong. One year ago, he voted to cut off all funds for our forces fighting extremists in Iraq. He was wrong…”

    And so the debates finally begin – obviously ALL THREE of McCain’s assertions fail the test of truth, but he will get away with it until the first face-to-face debate (or until a journalist debunks these to his face).

  • The reason why McCain has consistently been wrong is that he has been surrounded by his bubble, which excludes everyone but idiots like the ones who just trolled through here. A diet of right wing koolaid can rot your brain after awhile.

    God help us if that man gets to be president.

  • Politician- the only career choice where you have to LIE with a straight face. McCain is unbelievable…he denies quotes cited by Tim Russet- who was directly quoting him!!!

    What a crackpot, what an early-stage Alzheimers candidate!

    we want someone to lead this country with a clear head, not ahead full of cotton and beer-money!

  • Everyone seems to miss Rove’s genius. You repeat a lie over and over and it becomes reality. All the clueless 10 to 20% of those voters who decide elections hear is “Obama is weak and inexperienced when it comes to defending our country.” FEAR! They don’t listen to the debate that you are having with yourselves. Until Democrats figure this out they will continue to lose.

  • Looks like commenters 1-3 got enough points for a free McCain T-shirt. They should pick the one that says, “If loving the Iraq War is wrong, I don’t want to be right.”

    It’s a sign of this blog’s influence that it gets priority to be troll-spammed so heavily. Of course the tactic only ends up galvanizing their opposition against them, but there’s that Rovian counter-intuitiveness again.

  • The idea that we should attack our opponent’s strengths while hyping our own weaknesses makes perfect sense because politics is all about perceptions; not realities. And so the best thing you can do is make your own weaknesses into strengths so you no longer have any weaknesses, while making your opponent’s strengths into weaknesses, so they no longer have any strengths.

    And unfortunately for McCain, Obama’s much better at this than McCain is. Because any Democrat’s weakness is foreign policy, so Obama developed a good foreign policy and is beating the shit out of McCain with it. And the best McCain can do to counter this is through outright lies that everyone but the 28-percenters will see through. While the Dem Establishment always thinks we should focus on domestic policy, Obama sees the folly of this and keeps hitting deep into GOP territory in order to deny them their best sales pitch.

    And we see the same thing with religion. There is already a perception that Dems are anti-religious, and it’s worse with Obama who many folks think is a Muslim. So instead, he grabs the religion issue and wraps himself into it; thus turning that weakness into yet another strength. That’s how this works. You don’t avoid your weaknesses, you go at them head-on. And McCain’s strength is experience and national security, so Obama attacks both constantly. We want McCain to get hurt every single time he talks about Iraq, or terrorism, or his experience, or all the other issues Republicans abuse.

    That’s how it’s done. If your opponent uses an issue like a crutch, the best thing you can do is knock that crutch out from underneath them.

  • #18 “The reason why McCain has consistently been wrong is that he has been surrounded by his bubble, which excludes everyone but idiots like the ones who just trolled through here. A diet of right wing koolaid can rot your brain after awhile.”

    I disagree, he has been wrong because he is an idiot and is more interested in the notion of war then the actual war. The notion that good can defeat evil, the notrion that rightousness will always win. The facts be damned, they are on the side or right, and they will win. Every policy, every directive has been based on the above premise. This is why Iran is in their sites.

    The guy went to Baghdad and basically lied about everything, from not wearing armor, to strolling through the market, he even went as far as to say Petraeus was ridding around without escorts every day. This isn’t bubble mentality, this delusional behavior. They know they are lying, and torturing, and getting people killed, all because none of that matters, their fight in one of righteousness and they will do whatever it takes to keep that fight alive.

    Plus none of those idiots will ever admit they fucked up.
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    I see it’s the start of troll season again. For all my troll friends, John McCain is older then:
    – The Hindenberg crash
    – Ball point Pens
    – The Thanksgiving as a holiday
    – March of Dimes
    – The first minimum wage of $.25
    – The discovery of oil in Saudi Arabia
    – Amelia Earhart went missing
    – The Golden gate Bridge
    – The CIA

    That guy is fricken old……

  • It’s down to the old “fool me once…” etc. Well we are down to the third time and it ain’t happening. It don’t work anymore…Rove tactics are no longer effective. We see them repeating the lie over and over, we see them empty handed except for smears and name calling. Those who were so willing to believe the lies in the past are having to deal with this republican disaster and they aren’t so willing anymore to buy into the fear mongering crap being dished out.

    There are two things I hate about McCain…his face. Just look at the hate and fear coming from these trolls and realize that IS the republican party now. They are the party of hypocrisy unwilling to change even in the face of overwhelming failure and disaster they still head right over the cliff blaming everyone else for their failure.

    Even if only half of the registered dems vote, McCain will still lose. Remember, he was just the “least” embarrassing candidate they could run. Bush has a 23% approval rating and McCain is McBush with viagra. I can’t wait for Nov when finally the republican reign will end.

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