Why ‘100 years’ is only part of McCain’s problem

The DNC’s “100 years” ad targeting John McCain drew the predictably ire of the Republican Party this week, with McCain allies arguing that McCain doesn’t want to keep the war going through 2108, he’s just willing to leave U.S. troops in Iraq there indefinitely to help maintain the peace.

Now, as I noted the other day, McCain has changed his mind on multiple of occasions about whether this is realistic, but for now, he seems to sincerely believe that Iraqis would not only allow the United States to maintain a Korea-like presence in Iraq for decades to come, but that such a presence is actually necessary.

This strikes me as a pretty ridiculous policy, but let’s take it a step further. McCain is willing to leave troops in Iraq for up to a century after the war ends. Got it. But how long do we keep U.S. troops in Iraq during the war? As it turns out, that’s indefinite, too.

As Ron Brownstein explains, it’s incumbent on McCain to go into a little more detail.

First, if McCain doesn’t envision a 100-year American front-line combat presence in Iraq, how long is he willing to keep U.S. forces in that role? So far, all he has said is that the United States should withdraw only if it concludes that the Iraq mission is unachievable or when it has achieved success, which he defines as the establishment of “a peaceful, stable, prosperous, democratic state.” […]

McCain has not said when, but he has pledged that Iraqi units will eventually assume the major combat responsibility. That prompts the next question McCain should address: What would then become the mission for the U.S. forces he wants to maintain in Iraq?

McCain hasn’t been able to answer either question. He hasn’t even tried.

He has argued that after the war without end is over, and U.S. troops remain in a stable Iraq for generations, their mission would be to deter external aggression, the same way American troops are in South Korea to prevent North Korea from getting any ideas.

But that doesn’t work in Iraq’s case, either.

[T]he U.S. and South Korea agreed that North Korea posed a threat. The American troop presence in Germany and Japan long rested on a similar agreement about the potential danger from the Soviet Union, notes Ivo Daalder, a Brookings Institution senior fellow in foreign policy.

Although the U.S. considers Iran the most pressing external danger to Iraq, “the overwhelming majority of Iraqis don’t see Iran as a threat,” Daalder says. “They see it as a partner.” If a threat from Iran isn’t the motivation, Al Qaeda might provide the most likely justification for keeping U.S. troops in Iraq. But if Al Qaeda remains a threat there, conditions would likely not meet McCain’s standard that American troops are no longer at risk.

Indeed, skeptics raise another question that fundamentally challenges McCain’s analogy to Germany, Japan, and South Korea: Could U.S. troops ever be accepted in Iraq as completely as they have been in those societies? Or would our forces always be a target in Iraq, not only for Al Qaeda but also for the contending domestic factions? As Democratic National Committee Chairman Howard Dean asked this week, “Does anyone think … if you keep our troops in Iraq for a hundred years, people won’t be … setting off suicide bombs?”

McCain hates the “100 years” talk, because, as he sees it, the discussion removes the context. But therein lies the point: McCain can’t offer any context with depth, because he doesn’t really have a policy.

So, what are we left with? McCain’s policy is to fight an indefinite war, followed by an indefinite military presence. As he sees it, hopefully the Iraqis will reconcile, and hopefully Iraq will become stable, and then hopefully they won’t mind if we stick around for a generation or five while we keep their allies at bay.

Remember, the media still believes McCain is an expert on foreign policy and military matters. Maybe some reporters can read Brownstein’s piece and ask McCain for an explanation?

If you consider the rapes by U.S. Servicemen in Okinawa or the murder of Italians by Marine Reserve airmen, you wonder why anyone would want America in their country.

The question here is how many more thousands of Americans are going to die in Iraq in an occupation that the Iraqi people don’t want.

How long will this last McCan’t? Four more years?

  • Just keep repeating the McCain comment. The louder the Republican Party squeals about it the more the theme gets repeated. Dean’s answer was right on point. When voters go into the booths in November the words “one hundred more years” should be on their minds.

  • I’d be content to hear McCain on the topic of 8 more years of fighting in Iraq. Does he expect that? Would that be acceptable to him? Eight years (through Jan. 2017) of course is the length of time he could potentially be personally answerable for.

  • I think that as time goes by more and more people who actually stop to analyse what McCain says about a lot of things will come to increasingly realize that the well of his supposed expertise in most areas is actually pretty shallow. Did I say think? I actually mean hope.

  • The problem for McCain is that I’m sure he didn’t really mean it. He was confronted with a question he didn’t like, so he just shot from the hip like he always does. The guy asks a question about “50 years,” and so McCain was just hitting back with “100 years.” It was like that scene in Breakfast Club where the Assistant Principal kept giving Judd Nelson’s character detention and Nelson kept acting like he wanted more. This wasn’t really McCain’s policy on Iraq. He was just trying to act tough, and wanted to act like he could stay there forever.

    But all the same, that’s a big reason why he shouldn’t be president. We don’t need some jerk-off in the Whitehouse who thinks he needs to act tough every time he’s challenged. We’ve got that bad enough with Bush, and I think McCain has an even bigger chip on his shoulder. Bush acts like the bully who’s entitled to everything; while McCain acts like the bully’s victim who has to prove himself all the time…and ends up acting like a bully. While Bush was bad, McCain is the more dangerous of the two.

  • The stupidity of the press is profound. What possible explanation could there be for calling McCain an expert on foreign policy when there is absolutely no evidence to support that conclusion other than he says he is.

    Al Qaeda is not a country and could attack an American presence no matter where it is. How can a country ever become stable when it’s inhabitants must protect themselves from themselves? McCain still can’t understand that it is a civil war in Iraq and our troops are being used as a police force doing more harm than good because we remain right in the middle of the strife preventing it from becoming settled. Nothing will get resolved as long as we keep interfering. Sunnis and Shiites will come to their own agreements out of necessity. What our presence is really there for is to secure oil agreements and protect them. McCain must know this and everything else being used to justify staying merely masks our real reasons for being there. McCain can only lie or avoid talking about it because he cannot justify our staying by admitting the truth of why we are there. Iraqw does not need to be protected from Iran…it needs to be protected from corporate America.
    Our American energy situation is dire yet American corporations continue to price gouge and profiteer from our energy needs. This could all be changed in the blink of an eye by doing what 3rd world countries have done when confronted with such a situation …Nationalize the oil industry. Pretend oil is water. We cannot live without water. If industries were profiteering and price gouging to the extent they do with oil, with water which people have to have to stay alive, we would not tolerate it. The same should be true with our energy needs. Even our food production depends on oil. It’s time to end the profiteering of a few hundred greedy people to ensure the survival of millions of our citizens. NATIONALIZE THE OIL INDUSTRY. Get rid of the profiteers. You see, there are answers.

  • World War II, or the Korean War, is not the war we should be comparing the Iraqi War to. It is more like the Israeli – Palestine war, which has gone on for 60 years.

  • I must have missed it but, can someone tell me how being a POW turns someone into a military and foreign policy expert. McCain’s comments around 2003 echoed those of TV “experts” sitting on their asses in DC, and who probably have as much military experience as Bush (protecting us from something while campaigning instead of flying) or the VP (who had other priorities).
    His, and their, comments were wildly off the mark. Why should anyone believe they gained wisdom and/or experience in the last 4 years? They aren’t even smart enough to know that their statements on the “great success” in Iraq are on tape. The Republicans are pissed that the Dems are using McCain’s own words in ads.
    For those who are undecided in the upcoming election – “when a man’s character is unclear, look at his friends” That should help your decision.

  • First, we needed to get rid of Iraq’s WMD. Once we made sure the country was free of those, we needed to occupy the country to liberate them. Then we had to round up all the Iraqis to interrogate them so we could keep the peace. Once we destroyed the terrorist networks, we were the only thing keeping Al Qaeda out, and we couldn’t just up and leave after that with Al Qaeda causing trouble everywhere.

    Around this time, all hell had broken loose, and we were the glue holding everything together, and so many people had died we didn’t want them to die in vain.

    Remember, a civil war was possible, and once that crisis had passed, we found ourselves the only thing maintaining order during Baghdad’s transition into ethnic enclaves, and we had a moral obligation to prevent an ethnic cleansing.

    With so much at stake in such a vital region, it would be devastating to our national interests if we let things deteriorate. After all, we’re the only thing preventing Iran from influencing the Iraqi government, but now that they appear to be backing the Iraqi coalition, we need to give the Iraqi government the breathing room to set up a government, and give the disbanded Iraqi army time to organize, so they can take over security without the country erupting into chaos.

    So the only thing we have left to do before we withdraw is to continue fighting until we win the war, so we can maintain a military presence for the next 100 years.

  • You know, that we are in the last thoes of this war. We will be accepted as Liberators. Their oil will pay for this war. Major Military Operations in Iraq is over.
    We plan to leave and stand down when they stand up MISSION ACCOMPLISHED…………AND THEN I WOKE UP!

  • McCain has not said when, but he has pledged that Iraqi units will eventually assume the major combat responsibility. That prompts the next question McCain should address: What would then become the mission for the U.S. forces he wants to maintain in Iraq?

    Well, I think he’s probably still waiting for Bush’s “benchmarks” to be achieved and hasn’t thought about what the mission is or should be to justify keeping the troops there in a combat situation. He has it backwards, doesn’t he? You first delineate the comprehensive mission and then make plans and even flexible timetables to achieve the mission.

    But this is exactly what happened in Vietnam. By the end of that “conflict” there was no military objective other than “winning”, though what was to be won was never specified. I suspect that “winning” in both cases meant/means crushing people who are fighting for self-determination.

  • China loves Bush and McCain,
    They are now a world power and a big player on the world stage. That wasn’t true before Iraq.
    Russia loves Bush and McCain.
    They are resurging back into world power. Looking at taking back Georgia, cutting deals with China, Iran, and India. McBush wants to “punish” them (with a plan that furthers wipes out America’s power.)
    Osama loves Bush and McCain.
    His most effective ally in his war on the US has been Bush and will be McSame.

    Too bad China, Russia and Osama don’t get a vote in the general election.

    Four more years, four more years!

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