Why Gore Derangement Syndrome is so sad to watch

I saw the first few minutes of Fox News Sunday yesterday, and was struck by how angry the conservative Republicans were about Al Gore winning the Nobel Peace Prize. These guys don’t just ignore the scientific evidence, they lash out wildly at Gore, the Nobel committee, the scientists, everyone who dares to think differently than they do.

Bill Kristol disparaged Gore and the Nobel prize itself, saying “it’s a prize given by bloviators to a bloviator.” Charles Krauthammer insisted the award goes to “people whose politics are either anti-American or anti-Bush, and that’s why [Gore] won it.”

These pundits were obviously bitter and incensed, much the same way National Review’s Iain Murray was late last week, when he suggested Gore share his award with Osama bin Laden, “who implicitly endorsed Gore’s stance” in a September video harangue. (Apparently, to accept global warming is to embrace a terrorist philosophy.)

It’s led Paul Krugman to ask a good question: “What is it about Mr. Gore that drives right-wingers insane?”

Partly it’s a reaction to what happened in 2000, when the American people chose Mr. Gore but his opponent somehow ended up in the White House. Both the personality cult the right tried to build around President Bush and the often hysterical denigration of Mr. Gore were, I believe, largely motivated by the desire to expunge the stain of illegitimacy from the Bush administration.

And now that Mr. Bush has proved himself utterly the wrong man for the job — to be, in fact, the best president Al Qaeda’s recruiters could have hoped for — the symptoms of Gore derangement syndrome have grown even more extreme.

The worst thing about Mr. Gore, from the conservative point of view, is that he keeps being right. In 1992, George H. W. Bush mocked him as the “ozone man,” but three years later the scientists who discovered the threat to the ozone layer won the Nobel Prize in Chemistry. In 2002 he warned that if we invaded Iraq, “the resulting chaos could easily pose a far greater danger to the United States than we presently face from Saddam.” And so it has proved.

But that’s only part of it. Those on the right aren’t just angry because they’re wrong; they’re angry because their smear didn’t work.

[I]f science says that we have a big problem that can’t be solved with tax cuts or bombs — well, the science must be rejected, and the scientists must be slimed. For example, Investor’s Business Daily recently declared that the prominence of James Hansen, the NASA researcher who first made climate change a national issue two decades ago, is actually due to the nefarious schemes of — who else? — George Soros.

Which brings us to the biggest reason the right hates Mr. Gore: in his case the smear campaign has failed. He’s taken everything they could throw at him, and emerged more respected, and more credible, than ever. And it drives them crazy.

The headline on Krugman’s piece is entirely appropriate: “Gore Derangement Syndrome.” The whole “derangement syndrome” phenomenon stems from an increasingly common problem — when contempt for a leader strays from simple political opposition to irrational, reflexive antagonism. If so-and-so says “day,” I’ll say “night,” even if the sun is shining. It’s more important to fight the perceived opponent than to make sense.

And for far too long, that’s exactly how the right has approached Gore and the science on global warming. The evidence must be wrong, because Gore believes it. The Nobel Peace Prize must be worthless, because Gore won it.

These aren’t arguments. They’re sad and nonsensical temper-tantrums.

Ah, they’re just mad because there’s not a single conservative with brains enough to be nominated for a Nobel Prize.

  • You forgot: They know BushBrat will never get one because its one thing daddy can’t buy him.

    This also shows why it was never appropriate to apply the term BDS to BushBrat’s detractors. I can come up with a hundred reasons to dislike the man and never once have to resort to lies. The true BDSers are the ones who keep rallying around the man despite the towering pile of evidence that he is indeed the Worst President Eva.

    But with GDS we see what happens when the bullies can’t scare someone away with a few threats. Not that it’s surprising. Soon these arseholes will convince themselves that the NPP committee is stacked with terrorists and commies and start calling for investigations of everyone who has ever won a prize (including the scientists I guess).

    Here’s a fine example:

    Charles Krauthammer insisted the award goes to “people whose politics are either anti-American or anti-Bush, and that’s why [Gore] won it.”

    See, even if we assume he’s only talking about winners of the NP for Peace, Krauty has become so unhinged he’s calling people like Nelson Mandela, Aun Suu Kyi, Elie Weisel and Martin Luther King, Jr. “Anti-American.” In other words, he heard Gore won the prize, fainted and then leapt at his computer to type out a screed.

    I predict they’ll try to gin up some alternate committee (Reagan Peace Prize?) because the NPP is “tainted”.

  • Ahh! I can’t wait until 2009 and the conservatives are out of power and we can finally stop paying so much attention to the people in the padded room.

  • Here’s a fine example:

    Charles Krauthammer insisted the award goes to “people whose politics are either anti-American or anti-Bush, and that’s why [Gore] won it.”

    See, even if we assume he’s only talking about winners of the NP for Peace, Krauty has become so unhinged he’s calling people like Nelson Mandela, Aun Suu Kyi, Elie Weisel and Martin Luther King, Jr. “Anti-American.” In other words, he heard Gore won the prize, fainted and then leapt at his computer to type out a screed.

    Actually, if you look at the selections since 2001, you can make a strong case that Krauthammer is right.

    Kofi Annan in 2001. Jimmy Carter. Mohammed el-Baradei, who was right about Iraq’s nuclear and WMD capabilities. Now Gore.

    The Nobel Peace Prize IS a political choice – and good on them for picking “anti-Bush” winners.

  • The people like Kristol and Krauthammer who are slamming Gore by denigrating the prize itself and the process by which it is awarded show a remarkable lack of maturity and grace by stooping to that level. They know, as does Bush, that George Bush has never succeeded at anything on his own merits, probably as result of some combination of not really wanting to work that hard, and not being intellectually up to the challenge. And, he’s always had someone come in at the last minute and rescue him from disaster.

    It’s interesting, I think, that Al Gore is himself a fortunate son who has been afforded many opportunities, and yet Gore did not become a spoiled and petulant dilettante, and has succeeded in his own right, through his own efforts and hard work.

    Bush’s insecurities are evident in the many times he chooses to remind people that the “C” student is the president and gets to tell all the eggheads and Ph.D.’s what to do; he uses his position not just to belittle others (“if you were really smart, you’d be president, and since I’m president, I must be smarter than you are”), but to pacify his own feelings of inadequacy. Honestly, the one thing that comes shining through in his public appearances is that he is not a man who is comfortable in his own skin.

    Kristol and Krauthammer and the Fox and Friends Gang are just mirroring what’s going on in Bush’s head; the fact that they cannot be gracious just tells me that they’re closer to Bush’s level of immaturity than they would ever admit (although Bush actually said he was “happy” for Gore – go figure).

  • “And for far too long, that’s exactly how the right has approached Gore and the science on global warming.”

    that’s how the right approaches most everything they encounter….lies, smears, more nasty retoric…..and people still think they have the ability to govern?

  • That’s especially rich coming from Kristol, who is himself a bloviator for a living, and has been for perhaps longer than he’d care to remember. Are we to infer from this that if Bush had been the recipient of the award (just stop snorting and wheezing for a minute, I’m only offering the impossibility to make a point), conservatives would have insisted he return it, and the Commission apologize for insulting the president? On the contrary, it would touch off a festival of highly-publicized self-love the like of which hasn’t been seen since Caligula.

  • These aren’t arguments. They’re sad and nonsensical temper-tantrums.

    Tantrums are what brought conservatives to power. Reagan was more subtle and controlled than Gingrich, but Ronnie’s rise was the result of demonization just the same. Coulter, Hannity, Limburger, Kristol, DeLay, Santorum, the evangelicals — tantrums are what they rely on to get people fired up.

    Personally, I think Gore Derangement is related to Clinton Derangement. Bush 41 was not supposed to lose but to continue the revolution that Reagan had started. That Clinton/Gore won was more than the right could handle. Then came Gore in 00, who for a time held a tremendous advantage over W and seemed poised to further delay restoring a conservative in the WH.

  • It is sad to think people sit around and watch a group of middle aged haters rant and spew. Who pays these guys, and why are they relevant? -Kevo

  • I would argue that much of the distaste for Gore simply stems from the fact that he is a hypocrite. I view him similarly to the David Vitter’s and Larry Craig’s of this world who preach one tune which impacts others in their lives but act out another in their personal lives.

    I ask this question again (which has yet to be answered in previous posts): If human created emissions are placing the Earth at such immediate peril why doesn’t Al Gore significantly change his lifestyle so his personally generated emissions are reduced? Instead of talking the talk, why doesn’t Mr. Gore also walk the walk?

    http://pommygranate.blogspot.com/2007/02/al-gore-hypocrite.html

  • If you think Gore Derangement Syndrome is sad to watch, wait until Bill Clinton is awarded the Nobel Peace Prize — it is only a matter of time given his Global Initiative work. Perhaps enough Right Wingnuts’ heads will explode that the prize committee will have to award themselves the prize for contributions to world peace.

  • Gore: Nobel, Oscar, Emmy

    Bush: Bombs, Bullets, Bullshit

    JRS Jr, what would a Gore thread be without a concern troll?

  • WTF JRS Jr – you compare Al Gore to two recently disgraced Republican senators? What goes on in your mind to spew such blather. You are suffering from GDS. Get over it and wish the guy well for doing something you will never do in your lifetime. What ever we think, personally, about good old Al, we should show a bit of humility and accept what, at least last time I checked, an internationally recognized organization has bestowed upon him. You idiot! -Kevo

  • JC wrote: “The Nobel Peace Prize IS a political choice – and good on them for picking “anti-Bush” winners.”

    One could just as well argue that there’s simply a strong correlation between being good for the world and being against every policy that George Bush ever implemented. In other words, Bush = opposite of world peace.

    It IS a political prize, and I’ve been greatly amused to see the right-wingers act as if this is some sort of ‘liberal conspiracy’. No, it’s a ‘rest of the world vs. right-wing crackpots’ conspiracy. In pretty much every other western country in the world, global warming is a fact, health care is universal and preemptive war is idiocy. These aren’t ‘liberal’ views for most countries, they’re just the way things are or should be.

    A British friend of mine once remarked, “In the UK, I’m a conservative party member. In the US, I’m a flaming liberal.”

  • Good point beep52. Reagan was still a punch line until the famous “I paid for this microphone” tantrum.

  • JRS Jr. wrote:

    I ask this question again (which has yet to be answered in previous posts): If human created emissions are placing the Earth at such immediate peril why doesn’t Al Gore significantly change his lifestyle so his personally generated emissions are reduced? Instead of talking the talk, why doesn’t Mr. Gore also walk the walk?

    Readers may remember a comment from John Stossel, who went straight for the grumpy old men: “Do I want Al Gore telling me to turn off my air conditioning?” or something like that.

    Anyway, from your comment, it sounds like ironically it’s more the conservatives who are telling us to turn off our air conditioning, and Al Gore who is actually only arguing for cleaner emissions standards!

  • “Anyway, from your comment, it sounds like ironically it’s more the conservatives who are telling us to turn off our air conditioning, and Al Gore who is actually only arguing for cleaner emissions standards!”

    I said nothing of the sort.

  • When Gore threads come up it’s best to just ignore JRS Jr. – he hates Gore and has rationalized his hate as a hate for Gore’s “hypocricy”. That’s fine, whatever, but he insists on pointing it out every single time the subject comes up.

    We get it JRS, we know. We don’t care. He’s still done more for advancing the public knowledge of the science of global warming than I suspect that you have. We know you think he’s a hypocrite. You’ve pointed it out on every single Gore thread here. You can stop now. We know you hate Al Gore and you always will. Go have a cookie and a glass of warm milk and calm down a bit.

  • There you go, Dennis! You were quick to call out the childlike “troll” comment. You remind me of my 3-year old son when points to my 6 year old son and screams, “You are a baby!” (while he gets red faced and stamps his feet).

    Back the matter at hand: My argument was just offering up an explanation of why so many are fired up about Gore’s award. I did nothing to disparage the Nobel Prize body itself, Kevo. But why the hell should I “show some humility” if I find that Al Gore is a real life hypocrite?

  • Krauthammer says the Nobel Prize goes to left wing anti-Americans.
    Right, like Henry Kissenger.

  • “Charles Krauthammer insisted the award goes to ‘people whose politics are either anti-American or anti-Bush'” … um, yeah. It’s called a PEACE prize for a reason. By default it should go to someone anti-Bush.

  • Ah, JRS Jr, I wasn’t stamping my feet, I was merely pointing out that you rose to fill the concern troll void in this particular Al Gore thread.
    If Gore took public transportation everywhere there are those who would castigate him for not riding a bicycle. If he rode a bicycle he would be castigated for not walking. If he walked he would be castigated by some for wearing shoes. Of course, if he had remained environmentally pure to the best of his considerable ability then the world likely wouldn’t be as conscious of global warming. Would that be better?

  • I suspect they imagine Gore having a voice in the future and Bush will fade away.

    Ultimately they are just being sore winners because they did what they had to do in 2000 to prevent Gore from becoming President, so as relevant as Gore may be in the future, we’re still facing a ballooning deficit and total war in the Middle East.

    For now it’s just a mutual distraction for them all from their daily circle jerk that allows them to ignore important developments, like Rodriguez.

  • JRS Jr*** and I emphasize the title “Jr.”… I’m just sick of this pathetic argument that has been debunked so amny times that it just becomes ridiculous to do so. Gore has done more to reduce his carbon footprint than most people on the planet. You probably are just too busy to even re-cycle…especially your accusations of “hypocrite”. This man has done more to make us aware of this emerging global emergency than any one man and here comes the attack messenger to discredit message smear. It’s just pathetic and demeaning to demand a hero be more heroic because you don’t think he does enough. You’re criticisms are not only wrong…they are childish, Jr.

  • I remember that Gore used to be looked at as a moderate, center-right Democrat, and conservanazis thought relatively highly of him because of his wife’s opposition to raunchy rock lyrics… But I often wonder why conservanazis hate the people they do so much. Hillary is another example. In my view, Hillary is Bush Lite. But conservatives thing she’s Madame Defarge. What I think is behind this is that conservatives find someone who agrees with them *partially* more galling than someone who opposes them in almost everything. When do you ever hear conservanazis talk about people like Kucinich, Nader, etc. *at all?* They simply don’t exist in their universe.

  • Dennis wrote: “If Gore took public transportation everywhere there are those who would castigate him for not riding a bicycle. If he rode a bicycle he would be castigated for not walking.”

    bjobotts wrote: “Gore has done more to reduce his carbon footprint than most people on the planet. ”

    You guys are trying to ruin the perfectly good straw man the wingers have wrapped around Gore! Maybe I didn’t watch An Inconvenient Truth as much as the wingers did (sarcasm), but I don’t recall Gore ever saying that everyone’s emissions have to be the same. I seem to recall him saying that everyone should do what they can to reduce their own carbon emissions. Most of us here seem to think that he’s done that, while the wingers just want to keep yelling, “Hypocrite!!1!”

  • JRS jr – you really are most likely the hypocritical one here. I say most likely because I don’t know you personally, but here’s what I’m seeing: You’re not doing a full-out, right-wingnut, anti-Gore rant, but you can’t resist hating him and throwing in a resentful dig, (why does Al fly in the big planes?) Do you ask that because you care about the environment? Or because Al’s not walking the walk? If it’s because you care about the environment then can I assume that you are more truthfully walking the walk than Al is? Because, if not, then you are a hypocrit. If it’s the second choice – you’re monitoring Al’s behavior and finding him lacking in your eyes, then there are only two choices remaining: you are living a purer, more truthful life in complete synch with your beliefs and therefore have the right to judge Al, or, you’re a hypocrit.

    Let me know which it is, will you?

  • ah – It’s because Republicants hate winners and they especially hate winners that they know can beat them.

    On the subject of hate, it’s interesting that Fox has elevated the “Two Minute Hate” into an all-day, every day event. Science should really take a look at the people who watch that channel to understand how the human body can produce that much frothing saliva and bile.

  • Al Gore, of course, has done a great deal to reduce his carbon footprint.

    http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/26/gore-responds-to-drudge/

    But here’s what JRS Jr and Drudge and everyone else with GDS will never, EVER acknowledge: Whether he lives in a mansion or a cave, Al Gore has done their kids a great service. His personal carbon footprint is enormous, and in a way it’s negative, because he is personally responsible for the carbon emissions reductions of all the people he’s spurred into action.

    “Teach a man to fish…” as it were.

    I’m going to climb out on a limb and guess that JRS Jr still doesn’t believe that global warming is what the vast majority of climatologists say it is. Since Jr knows that if he says that he’ll be pounded mercilessly for being an idiot, he falls back to the “hypocrite” argument. I guess he’s saying that if Al Gore lived in a small house powered by solar power, then JRS Jr would stop flinging shit every time Gore’s name comes up.

    Right.

    The wingnuts whine about hypocrisy because they’re too chicken to fight for their true idiot positions (and take the beating that would require). I swear the Republican party is nothing but a mountain of sniveling bedwetters.

    PS, with all their “concern” about hypocrisy, you would think that all the wingnut goons would be screaming that Bush is a “hypocrite” because he has never fought one single terrorist.

  • They’re just two egotists bawling because they’ve realized that all their life’s accomplishments won’t equal 1/100th of Al Gore’s.

    JRS wrote:

    I said nothing of the sort.

    But you wrote:

    I ask this question again (which has yet to be answered in previous posts): If human created emissions are placing the Earth at such immediate peril why doesn’t Al Gore significantly change his lifestyle so his personally generated emissions are reduced? Instead of talking the talk, why doesn’t Mr. Gore also walk the walk?

    Sounds like you want him to turn off his air conditioning, if those are personally generated emissions. You’re really pulling out the whoppers now, JRS.

  • he’s calling people like Nelson Mandela, Aun Suu Kyi, Elie Weisel and Martin Luther King, Jr. “Anti-American.”

    For the twisted gnome Krauthammer, anti-Empire = anti-American. All of the above were certainly against the rogue Empire led by our current Emperor-san-clothes.

  • It gives me hope that Al Gore was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize for his efforts to wake up the world — and Americans in particular — about the threat and looming disaster of global warming. It further gives me hope that the committee had the wisdom to recognize that global warming will, indeed, bring terrible violence and unrest to the world when the climate starts having a large effect on the global economy. I read Mr. Gore’s first book, “Earth In The Balance” back in the 80s, when he was still a senator and the vice presidency was still in his future. I was impressed then, and I’ve been impressed ever since. I voted for him with Bill Clinton both times, and both times I wished their roles were reversed. When he ran in 2000 for the presidency, I was glad — Mr. Gore has vision, experience and pragmatism, and he isn’t out for self-aggrandizement or motivated by greed. Of course, we all know how the elections turned out. The man who stole the 2000 presidency is a horror and Mr. Gore’s doppelganger.

    The Nobel committee did the right thing. The right-wingers still hate Mr. Gore because he’s right and he advocates necessary change they don’t want to admit or face. That change — addressing global warming, negotiating rather than dropping bombs, making sure that people have adequate health care rather than making sure that Big Pharma and the insurance industry rakes in their billions, and finding workable alternative sources of energy rather than allowing the oil barons to enrich themselves at the world’s expense — means that they might have to give up their goodies. They’re selfish and self-absorbed and sadly, self-deluded.

    Why am I hopeful? That Mr. Gore won the Nobel Peace Prize means that the world will change in spite of them. I just hope it doesn’t happen too late. And yes, I’m just idealistic enough to hope that Mr. Gore will run for president again in 2008. I think he might surprise everyone when the right-winger’s poo-flinging fest leaves them stinking instead of him, and he wins.

  • It was a good, provocative column by Paul Krugman today, as so many of his are, but it misses the mark. It’s not just Al Gore, or just Gore Derangement Syndrome. It’s blind hatred by many on the right toward liberalism in general, and its leaders and messengers specifically. They hate Bill Clinton and Hillary Clinton every bit as much as Al Gore. It’s blind patriotism and militarism and Christian fundamentalism and American imperialism and economic greed and ethnic bigotry gone wild and crazy. It’s like a stampede of pure, raw hatred sweeping across our country and trampling it to smithereens. They hate all things liberal with a passion that is breathtaking and limitless and terrifying.

    It’s horrible to watch, and completely dispiriting. And I don’t know what the solution is.

  • Sounds like you want him to turn off his air conditioning, if those are personally generated emissions. You’re really pulling out the whoppers now, JRS.

    No, but I’d like him to start flying commercial first class, for a start!

    “JRS Jr still doesn’t believe that global warming is what the vast majority of climatologists ”

    I believe global warming exists, but I am not convinced man made emissions are the only driver. I am for environmental action to limit emmisions, but only if they are reasonable and don’t materially negatively impact economies with little benefit to show for those actions.

  • You remind me of my 3-year old son when points to my 6 year old son and screams, “You are a baby!” (while he gets red faced and stamps his feet).

    Funny – you remind me of the 3 year old who thinks he is always right and no one can edumacate him because he already knows everything. So anyone who disagrees with his temper tantrum can’t be right in his little 3 year old mind.

    Actually, that might be a bit insulting to semi-rational three year olds…

    Back the matter at hand: My argument was just offering up an explanation of why so many are fired up about Gore’s award. I did nothing to disparage the Nobel Prize body itself, Kevo. But why the hell should I “show some humility” if I find that Al Gore is a real life hypocrite?

    Maybe you should show some reasoning and rationality instead of coloring all your ‘logic’ with irrational hatred of Gore. Then again, reasoning and rationality seem to be missing from the Reich wingnut mindset. Thanks for giving us another example of that sort of blinkered Philistine outlook on life.

    Boy, are you ever going to be bitter in a couple of years when Republican’ts are completely powerless!

  • To those who ask where the proof of global warming. I say just look out the window. I live in Kentucky and for last five years or so we have not had any snow at all. And I am 53 years old and can remember snow on the ground every Christmas day. But now we don’t get much snow at all. And what about a tornado warning in New York State in Oct is this not a sign of the Earth warming. But the right-wing nutcases will not believe anything that comes from anyone who is to the left of them even if their house is falling apart round them. In the past these people would have been put away for the safely of others around them. And how far to the right are these people. Well they barely have one toe to prevent them from falling and I mean barely. They hate anyone who tells the true. So when Al Gore talks about global warming, they get mad because it show they for what are really. Their world is nothing but a fantasy and no basis in reality at all. GDS is but a sign of their sickness.

  • JRS, I answered your question back on the first Gore-Nobel thread. Gore is very rich, so global warming presents no personal problem for him or his family, no more than the end of the era of cheap oil. It’s going to be a problem for other people, and, for some reason, Gore is concerned about other people.

    Moreover, you are shooting at a tiny target. Gore’s emphasis is more on finding ways to make large differences: a tiny improvement in average vehicle efficiency or in power generation and transmission by utilities will far outweigh Gore using a private plane. Likewise, think of the amount of energy that could have been saved if the supreme court had upheld the public vote and not appointed Bush as president, so that we wouldn’t have invaded Iraq. Where’s your outrage over that gigantic addition to the nation’s CO2 footprint?

    (Also, he is not claiming that the Earth is in peril. Just the extince of some species, and the security and well-being of a lot of people.)

  • JRS makes the same mistakes pretty much every rightwinger makes when it comes to carbon emissions.

    1. An inability to understand carbon offsets.

    No, it’s not a perfect system, and yes it’s too expensive for most folks. But no one ever said it was perfect — it’s just what we’ve got right now. And the price makes a little sense when one considers that the right often have a much larger carbon footprint due to larger houses and more travel.

    2. No one said everyone needs to be 100% carbon neutral.

    They don’t understand that while the goal is for everything and everyone to be carbon neutral, until technology gets to that point it’s damn-near impossible. So what scientists and climatologists have done is figure out the maximum amount of carbon a person can output and then try to get everyone to average less than that number.

    When you add those two up, you get guys like Ed Begley Jr. — who’s pretty much carbon neutral — giving their excess carbon credits to folks like Gore. Thus, everyone reaches the average carbon output needed to not ruin our planet.

    It’s really not all that complicated, and it’s been explained time and time and time again.

    And since JRS isn’t a complete idiot, my guess is that he — as with so many on the right — just ignores these facts because they get in the way of a good smear.

    Either that, or being proven wrong over and over and over and over again the past six years simply causes rational people to do and say stupid things in the hopes they eventually get something correct.

    Not sure which …

  • JR…first is learn to read and to “surf the net” correctly. If you look on Snopes, you will find all the junk that you are pushing is discredited.
    Second, just reading the first five posts that you put on, I can tell that you are a troll, so just leave off.

  • I think there is an important lesson in Gore Derangement Syndrome, however, for those who oppose Hillary out of a belief that she is most likely to be trashed by the Rovians (this does not apply, obviously, to those who oppose HRC on policy grounds).

    Bill Clinton and Al Gore are in many ways as opposite as two Democratic politicians can be in terms of lifestyle, political style, etc. Yet they each have caused derangement among Rethugs, and I would argue that Kerry has as well (see the disproportionate flare up over his botched joke), as has Ted Kennedy (no self respecting Freeper can mention Ted without making a tasteless joke about cars and bridges two generations later).

    The point being that any — and every — prominent Dem will cause the right to get deranged. HRC really wont be any worse in that regard, it will just hit a little sooner. But trust me, if we nominate Edwards they will literally foam at the mouth about his haircuts. Obama – well, the madrassa myth is already being trotted back out. Even Kucinich, darling of the blogs – can you be more anti-American than being vegan? I mean, what red blooded patriotic American MAN doesn’t eat red meat? It’s whats for dinner!

    Dems cannot let the righties’ derangement impact Dem choices. Oppose HRC, Obama, or whomever on policy grounds, but please can we stop the “she is the one who will animate/solidify the right!” Any and every Dem does that once the Rovians release the Derangement Virus.

  • JRS says:

    “I believe global warming exists, but I am not convinced man made emissions are the only driver. I am for environmental action to limit emmisions, but only if they are reasonable and don’t materially negatively impact economies with little benefit to show for those actions.”

    Whoever said man made emissions are the only driver?

    You’re an idiot, just like I said. So here’s your stupid sticker, put it on your forehead.

    And since you’re an idiot, you think the economy can somehow benefit from policies that allow the environment to turn into worse shit than what’s inside your head. Let me guess, you would let the people who benefit from trashing the planet to decide whether the changes proposed will be of sufficient economic benefit.

    I hope your kid whomps you upside the head when they find out what the people like you did to the planet. I hope they really let you have it. But I’ll bet you’ll lie about your position or claim ignorance.

  • It’s nice to see that the Barry Bonds of the Fox All-Star team can identify bloviators when he sees them. I’d never think he’s pompous and excessive. As for calling Gore anti-American, it appears Senator McCarthy lives in the heart of GOP pundits.

  • Eh, they do for economics. Milton Friedman is a good example. He’s far more of a paleo-conservative than a neo-conservative, but they’d likely still try to claim his ideas are theirs despite the runaway spending he’d condemn.

  • Basically, it comes down to the more Gore is shown right, they are shown wrong. The right is facing the kind of trainwreck next year that means they will be declared extinct – or at least sent into the wilderness for as long as their grandpas were in 1932, whch for them is the same thing. No more cushy jobs, no more op-ed “employment,” even at the litterbox liner formerly known as the Los Angeles Times. They’re going to go back to being the little schmucks who got chased hom from school every day for being such dweebs. They’re becoming objects of laughter.

    Of course they’re going to lash out at anyone whose existence and success demonstrates their lack of competence, intelligence, talent, and the fleeting nature of their success. Hell, they even do it in the world’s smallest hobby.

  • JRS Jr is as ignorant on this issue as he is on every other issue, so at least he gets an “A” for being a consistent idiot.

    Proof of global warming:

    The Arctic ocean had the greatest ice-melt this summer in all the time it has been studied, it was in fact even greater than predicted. It is now predicted that we could see an ice-free Arctic Ocean by the summer of 2013. While Faux News may think this is an opportunity to explore for more oil, it is in fact a disaster and not merely for the drowning polar bears. Ice reflects heat back into space; oceans take heat in and multiply it. This is why there has been a 5 degree increase in average temperatures in Alaska and the Canadian North over the past ten years – yes, they’re still cold, but they’re warmer than they were and in fact we are starting to see permafrost melting. This alone will be a disaster.

    Another proof: midwestern blizzards are increasing. Yes, it’s cold, but it’s global warming that does it, since it changes weather patterns. The Pacific Northwest has been warming, and the result of this is that the jet stream in fall and winter is forced further north, up into the arctic, due to high pressure weather systems developed by heating. Then the jet stream gets past the Pacific High and comes back down from the arctic, bringing colder temperatures at altitude. In the meantime, the air at lower altitude is more humid (from the global warming), so when it gets hit with the freezing air, it turns to snow and you get the “instant blizzards” we are now seeing.

    As to your desire that any efforts to combat global warming not “hurt us,” the fact is that dealing with global warming – if the ability of Americans to “build better mousetraps” is not another industrial skill that has been made a casualty of Republican economics over the past 30 years – might be the one thing that could actually revive the American economy into something besides the pushing of pieces of paper, and make us a world leader in something once again. Of course, that will mean hiring more foreign engineers, since Americans don’t like to go to engineering school, where they have to work for a degree, when they can go to business school with the rest of the idiots and be hired to work for a hedge fund or something equally important.

    Actually, all you need to do, moron boy, is google “proof of global warming” and read the results. Of course, that would involve an activity you’re demonstrably incapable of: comprehending what you read. That activity takes a brain, and when they were passing out brains, you thought they said “trains” and expressed an interest in getting a bicycle.

  • Wow … major typo in my post above. Third graf should read:

    And the price makes a little sense when one considers that the rich often have a much larger carbon footprint due to larger houses and more travel.

    Not sure how that happened.

  • It’s led Paul Krugman to ask a good question: “What is it about Mr. Gore that drives right-wingers insane?” — CB

    Bill Mitchell has a short answer (along the lines of: “a picture is worth a 1000 words”):
    http://www.cnn.com/POLITICS/analysis/toons/2007/10/12/mitchell/index.html

    Sure, Nobel Peace Prize is tinged by politics. It has always been. So is its medal for literature, and has been for over a 100 yrs. So are Oscars, for goodness sake. But it doesn’t mean the prize itself is worthless or that the committee awarding it is totally clueless. All it means is that the committee, given many worthy choices, picks one which is both deserving *and* makes a statement at the same time. So yes, the statement this time is that our presidunce is steering straight into the abyss. “So, what else is new?” you say “When has ever done anything else?” But it needed saying, if only to let him know that the world is noticing.

    I don’t recall Gore ever saying that everyone’s emissions have to be the same — gg, @28

    That’s because they aren’t. Can’t be. Some guys are shooting blanks…

  • Good to see ol’ Tommy Boy Cleaver get all worked up so early in the week.

    Tommy, since you are so good at reading comprehension yourself, please point out where have I denied that global warming is not occurring? All I did was point out that its champion does not seem to practice what he preaches.

    What’s scary is that vehement the reaction to my questioning of Al Gore’s actions has almost been cult like… or I dare say right wing like!

  • All I did was point out that its champion does not seem to practice what he preaches.

    Actually, all you did was display an ignorance of both what he preaches and what he actually does.

    But that’s okay. We’ve come to expect nothing less –and certainly nothing more — of our resident wingnut.

    🙂

  • Hey I just found this on a website regarding Al’s electricity use. Thought it would be of interest in this discussion. By the way I was thrilled that he won the Nobel.

    This, from the website thinkprogress.org:
    Responding to Drudge’s attack, Vice President Gore’s office told ThinkProgress:

    1) Gore’s family has taken numerous steps to reduce the carbon footprint of their private residence, including signing up for 100 percent green power through Green Power Switch, installing solar panels, and using compact fluorescent bulbs and other energy saving technology.

    2) Gore has had a consistent position of purchasing carbon offsets to offset the family’s carbon footprint — a concept the right-wing fails to understand. Gore’s office explains:

    What Mr. Gore has asked is that every family calculate their carbon footprint and try to reduce it as much as possible. Once they have done so, he then advocates that they purchase offsets, as the Gore’s do, to bring their footprint down to zero.

  • JRS whines to Tom Cleaver: “please point out where have I denied that global warming is not occurring?”

    What, like you did in post #36, when you said “I believe global warming exists?” Note to Jr: Double negatives often backfire on morons.

    I’m sure if your brain was wired up better you’d know how to make your stupid arguments without shooting yourself in the face in such an amusing manner. But while you’re looking for people using strawman arguments, check this one out:

    “I believe global warming exists, but I am not convinced man made emissions are the only driver.”

    Time to shriek some more about the alleged hypocrisy of Al Gore, as if you wouldn’t still hate his guts if he lived in a passive solar heated cave.

    Gore. Derangement. Syndrome.

  • I keep hearing noise from the right wing pasture….it seems that old sly fox Al Gore has stirred them into a frenzy….

  • JRS jr – still waiting for an answer….

    You really are most likely the hypocritical one here. I say most likely because I don’t know you personally, but here’s what I’m seeing: You’re not doing a full-out, right-wingnut, anti-Gore rant, but you can’t resist hating him and throwing in a resentful dig, (why does Al fly in the big planes?) Do you ask that because you care about the environment? Or because Al’s not walking the walk? If it’s because you care about the environment then can I assume that you are more truthfully walking the walk than Al is? Because, if not, then you are a hypocrit. If it’s the second choice – you’re monitoring Al’s behavior and finding him lacking in your eyes, then there are only two choices remaining: you are living a purer, more truthful life in complete synch with your beliefs and therefore have the right to judge Al, or, you’re a hypocrit.

    Let me know which it is, will you?

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