Why Romney can’t give a JFK-like speech

This seems to come up every couple of weeks, as if the political establishment expects action. That doesn’t make it any more likely.

Republican presidential contender Mitt Romney said Saturday his political advisers have warned him against giving a speech explaining his Mormon faith.

During a house party overlooking Squam Lake, Romney was asked by voters if he would give a speech outling his religious beliefs and how those beliefs might impact his administration, much like then-Sen. John F. Kennedy did as he sought to explain his Catholic faith during the 1960 election.

“I’m happy to answer any questions people have about my faith and do so pretty regularly,” the former Massachusetts governor said. “Is there going to be a special speech? Perhaps, at some point. I sort of like the idea myself. The political advisers tell me no, no, no — it’s not a good idea. It draws too much attention to that issue alone.”

I don’t think it’s a good idea, either, but for an entirely different reason. To reiterate a point I raised a few weeks ago, Romney can’t give a JFK speech, because the Republican base doesn’t really want to hear it. They just don’t seem to realize it.

The frequency of this Kennedy-in-’60 comparison just won’t quit. National Journal conducts a weekly “Insider’s Poll,” and a couple of weeks ago, DC politicos were asked: “Does Mitt Romney need to address the issue of his religious faith the way that John F. Kennedy did in 1960?” The results showed that 59% of Republicans, and 44% of Democrats said “Yes, and soon.”

Robert Novak recently noted the same trend. “Although disagreement remains within the Romney camp, the consensus is that he must address the Mormon question with a speech deploring bias,” Novak noted. “According to campaign sources, a speech has been written, though much of it could still be changed.”

I don’t doubt that Romney’s faith tradition is controversial in some conservative circles, but I haven’t the foggiest idea what he could say about it to overcome some voters’ prejudice.

The notion that Romney could deliver a JFK-like speech is rather silly, for reasons that have nothing to do with Romney’s skills. The AP report said the now-famous Kennedy speech “sought to explain his Catholic faith.” That’s not quite right. Kennedy spoke to the Greater Houston Ministerial Association on Sept. 12, 1960, and made a powerful case that his administration would be neutral on matters of faith. (It seems ridiculous in hindsight, but there was a common fear that Kennedy, as a Roman Catholic, would let the Vatican dictate U.S. policy.)

“I believe in an America where the separation of church and state is absolute — where no Catholic prelate would tell the President (should he be Catholic) how to act, and no Protestant minister would tell his parishioners for whom to vote, where no church or church school is granted any public funds or political preference and where no man is denied public office merely because his religion differs from the president who might appoint him or the people who might elect him.

“I believe in an America that is officially neither Catholic, Protestant nor Jewish — where no public official either requests or accepts instructions on public policy from the Pope, the National Council of Churches or any other ecclesiastical source, where no religious body seeks to impose its will directly or indirectly upon the general populace or the public acts of its officials and where religious liberty is so indivisible that an act against one church is treated as an act against all.”

Romney’s challenge is entirely different. He can’t deliver a similar speech because the same message is now Republican anathema. Nearly a half-century after JFK’s speech in Houston, many of today’s conservatives, particularly those in the GOP’s religious right base, abhor the very idea of church-state separation. It’s not unusual to hear figures like James Dobson and Pat Robertson reject the constitutional principle’s very existence.

If Romney were to publicly argue that “the separation of church and state is absolute,” he would be booed aggressively by conservative audiences that want more intermingling between religion and government, not less.

For that matter, the nature of the controversy is very different now than in 1960. Conservative Republicans uneasy about Romney’s faith aren’t worried that Salt Lake City will dictate policy through the White House; they’re just not comfortable with a faith tradition with which they’re unfamiliar (and in some cases, find heretical). In this sense, as a friend of mine recently argued, Romney is “boxed in.”

Michael Crowley makes a compelling argument that Romney could do some good by getting the Mormon details out in the open.

Couldn’t he have an ask-Mitt-anything town meeting on the subject of Mormonism? Show that he has nothing to hide or be embarrassed about. Let people ask about “magic underwear” and whether Jesus is the Devil’s brother and so on. He won’t convince everyone but it would take a lot of the steam out of the pent up rumor-mongering and mythology out there.

Of course, that’s not about a JFK-in-’60 tactic; it’s more of a “Everything you wanted to know about LDS but were afraid to ask” tactic.

One thing’s for sure — there’s still plenty of ugliness out there when it comes to prejudice.

The mother of Sen. John McCain criticized the religion of one of her son’s competitors for the Republican presidential nomination Friday night.

When asked about former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney’s experience by Hardball host Chris Matthews, Roberta McCain, who’s campaigning in New Hampshire with her son at the age of 95, said “as far as the Salt Lake City thing, he’s a Mormon and the Mormons of Salt Lake City had caused that scandal. And to clean that up, it’s not a subject.”

Stay tuned.

Let’s get into the head of a evangelical Republican.

“Imagine if Romney, a Mormon, is president. At best, his faith (which I consider cultish) would become more acceptable. At worst, he might try and use Mormon theology as a basis for government!

“Unless… we have some kind of… I don’t know… wall of separation between church and state.”

And then there’s a brain meltdown as the cognitive dissonance sets in.

  • Why Romney can’t give his speech. And why, no matter what Harry Reid does, if he believes this stuff I don’t really trust him on much else.

    via Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_Mormon

    Joseph Smith, Jr. said the book was a translation of golden plates. He said that the angel Moroni told him that the plates were buried in a hill near his home (which he later called the Hill Cumorah). He said the translation was made through the power of God with the aid of the Urim and Thummim which were with the plates. During the production of the work Smith obtained the affidavits of Three Witnesses and Eight Witnesses who testified that they saw the plates. These affidavits are published as part of the book. When the book was complete, he said he returned the plates to the angel Moroni.[3]

    W.T.F.

  • Burro, what’s so implausible about any of that? I find that a lot easier to accept than that the Earth is 6,000 years old.

    You have to admit, the whole story would be a lot more convincing if Moroni hadn’t taken the golden plates away. It’s always something like that, isn’t it? I suppose that God is just testing our faith again. He’s notorious for that.

  • The problem with the evangelical right is that they simply don’t understand the hypocrisy of their stance with regard to Romney and Mormonism. They cry about the liberal left not recognizing the validity of their religious concerns. They claim that people should not refuse to vote for a Baptist, but to those who don’t accept orthodox, literal Christianity, Baptist beliefs are just as fanciful as Mormon beliefs. JW (comment #17 from your friend’s post) is a great example of this phenomenon – those who would ask Romney about the angels he believes appeared to Joseph Smith but would never think to ask the same thing to every other Christian candidate (Republican and Democrat) about the angels recorded as having visited Mary and others in the Bible. For that matter, the Bible is just as suspect as the Book of Mormon to an atheist. If Protestants can make one religious text anathema for public office, why would it be outlandish for non-Christians to exempt one more religious text?

    If evangelicals (and anyone else, for that matter) refuse to vote for Romney because of the strange aspects of his religion, then they are establishing a precedent to vote against any person of any religious faith. It would be incredibly ironic if “believers” were excluded from the Presidency because of the actions and example and litmus test of those screaming the most vocally for religious values to play a role in the choice of the President. It would serve them right.

  • And Moses saw and talked with a burning bush, and Noah loaded two of every animal on earth in a very large homemade ark, and Jesus rose on the third day. Every belief pulled out of full context can be made to look silly.
    My beliefs might seem crazy, but to be fair you have had several millenia to get used to yours.
    Mormons are real people, real US citizens, who don’t deserve having the things they hold sacred dragged (out of their full context as usual) into the spotlight for public mockery.
    Religion is included in the national non-discrimination laws for a very real reason.
    Some of you must be scratching your heads, trying to figure out how mormons got overlooked when making the list of people to exclude.

  • It’s a brand thing – the Christian evangelicals and fundamentalists want one of their own at the top, someone who speaks the same language, who knows the code and the secret passwords and handshakes – they’re not convinced Romney can be one of them in a way they can trust.

    And this is the problem with making religion some kind of litmus test, and it’s a problem they created all by themselves. It means that there will be qualified, smart, ethical people who will fail to break through because they cannot get over the hurdle of religious loyalty or purity.

    Now, I’m not saying that Romney is or isn’t one of those that won’t get a shot. I think Romney can be eliminated for many reasons – his constant changing of positions is only one, but one wonders if he would feel a need to do that if the religion thing weren’t dogging him, just as it’s dogging every other GOP contender.

    It would be nice to think that when all is said and done, the GOP’s post-election review of where they went wrong would have religion at the top of the list, but I suspect that instead of concluding that they need to separate religion and politics, the conclusion will be that they just need to work harder to force religion down the throats of all Americans and into the core of government.

    Romney is stuck. Oh, well.

  • If any of the candidates, Dem or Repub, cannot give their own version of JFK’s Houston speech, they cannot be President. It’s just that simple. It’s a blatant admission that they will put their religion, not just all religion, or your religion, but their religion, ahead of the Oath of Office.

  • A) Utah shows that the Mormons still like to run things with essentially no wall of separation between church and state, so I’d like to hear something above and beyond a Kennedy speech from Romney.

    B) However, in this day and age you know exactly what is going to happen – Romney will make some sort of weak and meaningless joke or statement, along the lines of Reagan’s “I take full responsibility” (for the bombing of the marines’ barracks in Lebanon), or his statement to Mondale that “I will not make age an issue of this campaign. I am not going to exploit for political purposes my opponent’s youth and inexperience,” or Bush’s lies about “we’ve already said all we are going to say about [drug use / drunk driving / getting into TANG / skipping out on military commitments / etc.]”, and the punditry and the media will all declare the issue addressed and resolved.

  • This is one case where the whack jobs are right. The way you explain Mormon is to remove the second “m.” They are ignorant cultists who want to establish a theocracy run from Salt Lake City! Anyone raised in the west in the past 100 years knows this. The rest of you are letting PC get in the way of a realistic look at reality.

    The day we let one of these cultists into the top job, we might as well make Tom Cruise President of the United States.

  • Romney can’t give the speech. If he says what he really believes (i.e. that Christ is his Savior), the Evangelicals will jump on his case for pretending to be Christian. It’s a lose-lose situation for him. Check out this article to see what I mean.

    People like to bring up stuff like “magic underwear” (a bigoted term that is offensive to most Mormons. We don’t believe there is anything ‘magic’ about our temple garments.) and the relationship of Jesus and the Devil (we believe that the devil was Lucifer and that he is a child of God, like everyone else, who rebelled and fell) and act like these are the core doctrines of the LDS Church. Well, they’re not. They are pieces of a whole, but they are no more central to Mormon doctrine than the talking donkey in the Old Testament (Numbers 22) is central to the Baptist doctrine. The central tenants of Mormonism can be found in the Articles of Faith.

    Anyway, I think it will be interesting to see how this turns out. The Evangelicals are stupid if they push this issue too far. Mormons make up a significant percentage of the population in almost every Western state – many of which are swing states. As much as Evangelicals hate our heretical doctrine, they’ll never win the white house without us. Most Mormons today are Republicans, but they have voted for Democrats in the past, and I don’t see anything that would keep them from voting for moderate democrats in the future.

  • You can’t trust Romney because he believes in gold plates and angels?

    Well then you can’t trust Kennedy because he believed the cracker the priest put on his tongue turned into the literal body of Jesus;

    You can’t trust Lincoln because he a participated in sayances in the white house;

    You can take pot shots at Romney faith but to try to frame his as a nutjob ignores one huge problem: Romney’s success in business, leadership at the olympics and unexpected success in Massachusetts are all a product of Romney’s fact driven, data crunching, graph loving, analytical and rational problem solving. Not to mention those who work with him report he is an amazing and inspirational leader. If Mormon angst stops you from voting for this guy, heaven help America!

  • Jayce Cox said:

    “Mormons are real people, real US citizens, who don’t deserve having the things they hold sacred dragged (out of their full context as usual)”

    Context? Excellent.

    Urim and Thummim: n ancient Israelite religion and culture, Urim and Thummim (Hebrew: האורים והתמים, Standard haʾUrim vəhaTummim Tiberian hāʾÛrîm wəhatTummîm) is a phrase from the Hebrew Bible associated with the sacred breastplate, divination in general, and cleromancy in particular.

    Ahhh, Cleromancy. That sounds interesting. Rather Harry Potterish. Let’s check that out: Cleromancy is a form of divination using sortilege, casting lots or casting bones in which an outcome is determined by random means, such as the rolling of dice.

    Sortilege? Casting of bones? Rolling of dice? Definitely religion material. And how appropriate that you can find this stuff by stepping into Wikipedia’s “Occult Portal”.

    And how ’bout those plates? Pretty darn convenient to have that little Hill Cumorah close by where Joe and his wife, Emma, (eloped and married the day before), could stop by and pick up the plates from patiently waiting, (since 400AD!), Angel Moroni.

    As a matter of fact, via Wikipedia:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emma_Hale_Smith

    Emma acted as a scribe. She became a physical witness of the plates, reporting that she felt them through a cloth, traced the pages through the cloth with her fingers, heard the metallic sound they made as she moved them, and felt their weight. She later wrote in an interview with her son, Joseph Smith III: “In writing for your father I frequently wrote day after day, often sitting at the table close by him, he sitting with his face buried in his hat, with the stone in it, and dictating hour after hour with nothing between us.”

    “…he sitting with his face buried in his hat, with the stone in it,” Now that inspires confidence.

    Some snippets:

    During the next weeks, Joseph was arrested and tried in South Bainbridge for “glass looking” on the state’s vagrancy law. (Glass Looking is charging people to use a “peep stone” to peer at the landscape and determine where a good mine might be placed. Some folks apparently felt like they didn’t get their money’s worth.

    And it was in Kirtland that the collapse of Joseph’s banking venture, the Kirtland Safety Society, led to serious problems for the church and the family. On January 12, 1838, he was forced to leave the state or face charges of fraud and illegal banking.

    Joseph escaped custody in Missouri.

    Joseph had continued to practice plural marriage in secret. In Nauvoo, he began to privately expand the circle of men and women who were taught this doctrine. Joseph always denied the principle of plural marriage in public. (Sounds like a rightous fellow and certainly faithful to dear Emma. In his mind anyway)

    Joseph’s brother Hyrum was originally a strong opponent of plural marriage and asked Joseph to “seek a revelation” to settle the issue. Reportedly, a revelation that Joseph dictated on 12 July 1843 (although it may have been given earlier) converted Hyrum to the principle and Hyrum convinced Joseph to let him share it with Emma. Rumors of polygamy and “spiritual wifery” had dogged the Mormons for over a decade, and Emma had long been a public opponent of it. The reported revelation addressed Emma specifically and commanded that she “cleave unto my servant Joseph, and to none else. But if she will not abide this commandment she shall be destroyed, saith the Lord.”

    According to later reports, Emma took the copy of the written revelation that Hyrum had presented to her and burned it [citation needed]. Further testimonies affirm that she later agreed to let Joseph marry (or re-marry) a number of plural wives. On May 11, 1843 she took part in a marriage ceremony between Joseph and Emily D. Partridge and Eliza M. Partridge. Nevertheless, throughout her life Emma continued to publicly deny the principle of plural marriage and untruthfully and repeatedly stated that neither she nor Joseph had any part in it [citation needed]. The reasons for the denials is not known, however, Joseph often asked those whom he told never to reveal the doctrine publicly.

    Ha-Ha. Ya don’t say. This junk goes on and on. I thinks I smells a little Warren Jeffs in a story that sounds kind of like that. What sort of context shall we place all this in?

    They’re all like this Jayce Cox. Cons, myths, superstitions, fantasies. Just making stuff up. Opportunistic and often violent fairytales every one. You can run with what ever one you want. But scratch the surface and they all take a lot of esplainin’. Much more than I think they deserve.

    The story above is a hundred pound weight that Romney wants to toss to a drowning country. We don’t need it.

  • I am not here to argue doctrines, just to point out, that in this country we are allowed to believe anything we want. How has Mitt’s beliefs collored his service so far?

  • The bulk of your sources on Joseph Smith are taken from the daily gossip rags. You are free to disagree with Joseph Smith, but those who lived with him daily, both family and friends and colleagues report a sincere, compassionate, dynamic man who was honest and transparent to a fault.

    When Brigham Young first met Joseph Smith he was clearing trees and removing stumps with a group of men for a neighbor. BYoung said he never saw a man who worked harder and knew knew at the end of the day that someone who worked that hard must be an honest man.

    Cast your stones burro

  • Wikipedia should never be your only source. In fact one of the quotes “burro” uses even says that citations are needed.

    Why is 1840’s mormonism a litmus test for 2007?
    Disscomort with mormonism should be bases on personal interactions with them, and not on something that happened over 150 years ago.

  • My brother has a good point: when a candidate holds his faith forth as a reason to vote for him, then it becomes an issue.

  • All this talk about Mormonism is a little beyond Rangoon for me.

    This is just a nonsense joke that doesn’t mean anything, for all you wet blanket types out there.

  • Romney’s challenge is entirely different. He can’t deliver a similar speech because the same message is now Republican anathema. Nearly a half-century after JFK’s speech in Houston, many of today’s conservatives, particularly those in the GOP’s religious right base, abhor the very idea of church-state separation. It’s not unusual to hear figures like James Dobson and Pat Robertson reject the constitutional principle’s very existence.

    Add Supreme Court Justice Scalia to the mix, too. A direct quote from him:

    “The ‘wall of separation between church and state’ is a metaphor based on bad history, a metaphor which has proved useless as a guide to judging. It should be frankly and explicitly abandoned.”

    — William Rehnquist, Dissenting Opinion in Wallace v. Jaffree (1985)

    Isn’t it unlawful to conspire to overthrow the Constitutional government of the US and replace it with a theocracy? And doesn’t a Supreme Court Justice need to be impeached for suggesting this deeply imperative governing principle should be abandoned? Wouldn’t a majority of Americans dance in the streets if a candidate would promise to restore the separation of church & state? If Romney can’t stand up against the theocrats and wants their support instead, he sure doesn’t give a damn about constitutional matters. Does the idiot think Mormonism, pretty distant from traditional Christian dogma, would be protected if these people get their way? They’d wipe it out in a minute.

    I am perplexed about why so many politicians, all over the board, are content to allow violations of the Constitution, some with support from the radical religious right, refusing to realize that when that constitutional structure is destroyed, THEIR place in the order of things is also destroyed.

  • I don’t care a bit about Romney’s religious beliefs. I can’t stand him because he’s basically an “empty suit” and a Stepford candidate. He’ll say ANYTHING to get elected. We’ve already had one “empty suit” and “MBA President” and I simply don’t want another.

    By the way, how did Romney’s father handle the religious question back in his abortive run in 1968?

  • >>By the way, how did Romney’s father handle the religious question back in his abortive run in 1968?

    From everything I’ve read, it wasn’t an issue back then so there was nothing to handle. Americans seems to have become more bigoted over time.

  • Jon, I seem to remember it wasn’t a big deal back then, but I was only 17 years old then and not quite so “into” politics as I later became.

    Also, I wonder if Kennedy’s speech about his faith was still sort of carrying over 8 years later when Romney ran?

  • First…thank you to the many non-Mormons who are willing to stand up and point out that being a Mormon does not disqualify you from being an American and being quite capable of serving in American politics.

    Just to set the record straight: I was raised in Farmington Utah (probably about 97% Mormon)…I put my hand over my heart and said the pledge of aliegance every day at school growing up…We pay taxes…We vote…We believe in America and in the American dream…We serve in the military and die on the same battlefields as other Americans…We believe in freedom.

    If you want to know what our religion thinks of America, politics, and the rights and responsibilities of citizens, you can just look in our cannonized scriptures where it states clearly that the Constitution of the United States was inspired by God and where it states that “We believe in being subject to kings, presidents, rulers, and magistrates; in obeying, honoring, and sustaining the law”.

    People can continue to take swipes at us over “magical underwear” and other uneducated and offensive things…when you grow up Mormon you get used to that. I really don’t care. What does matter to me is that people understand that we are inherently a patriotic, constitution-supporting people who have time and again proven that our politicians serve with integrity.

    Whether or not Mitt wins is trivial to me…but if America decides they don’t want him because of his religion alone, then America needs to quit reading stupid anti-Mormon literature and go out and meet some actual Mormons.

  • We are Americans

    I don’t think anybody’s making a serious claim that Mormons aren’t “faithful” Americans. The topic at hand is whether Romney will make a Kennedyesque proclamation that he, likewise, supports the separation of church and state. For all I know, he certainly supports that position — I don’t think there’s anything in his record that suggests otherwise.

    Since Mormonism is “strange” to many mainstream Americans, there may be fears that Romney will take America down some “strange” religious paths. Unless Bush’s “unitary executive” privileges are specifically rejected by Congress, the next president could certainly cause a lot of damage to religious freedom in America if he or she has a mind to do that.

    If Romney DOES support the clear separation of church/state but refuses to make his position clear just to get radical religious rightwing support and votes, he’s being dishonest and bowing to pressure from a group that would do him in if they had their way.

    That’s just stupid and indefensible.

  • Jon@10

    Thank you for clearing up the problem.

    LDS thinks Jesus is a child of God.
    This is akin to Ariansm. The belief that Jesus was a creation of God. (implying lesser than God.). This has been heretical teaching since the Council of Nicea under emperor Constantine about 16 centuries ago.

    Any religion that embraces the trinity is at odds with Mormonism despite the fact that many members of Trinity based churches don’t believe in the trinity.
    This explains why Mormonism is maligned by most church leaders. It would endanger the faith in the Trinity that exists.

  • People fear the unknown. It might be helpful to Romney if he spoke out to demystify some of the more exotic-seeming tenets of his faith; presumably doing so wouldn’t require him to assert church/state separation. His goal throughout has been to make common cause with the Holy Haters of today’s Republican base; anything he can do to reduce or redirect whatever share of their abundant and ignorance-fueled hatred is directed toward Mormonism will help him win the nomination. His biggest problem might be that he’s simply not as adept a natural hater as the psychopathic Giuliani.

    I know little about Mormonism and, aside from the same fascination I have with Scientology or any more overt cult for what it tells us about human interaction, I’m not really all that interested. With a few exceptions, all the Christian sects are pretty much equally foreign to my value system. That said, I’m perfectly willilng to credit that the personal faith of Romney–or anyone else–won’t guide his policy decisions; he could hardly be worse in this respect than Bush, for one thing.

    But between his faith, his Massachusetts connections, and the fact that Romney 2002 was almost the ideological opposite of Romney 2007, he might represent a bridge too far for those voters. Which would be, of course, more than fine with me.

  • Romney’s faith has to be a big problem for the religious righties that worked to put Bush in office. Having a Mormon elected president would give that faith a legitimacy that I doubt Dobson et al would care to see. Giving Mormonism a seat at the table when discussing the interaction of articles of faith and government only dilutes the Protestant right’s influence. I doubt the Christian right is willing to give that up.

    I agree with CB that Romney cannot repeat the same type of speech that JFK did. To do so would make him a secularist and that is counter to the ideology of what remains of the Republican base.

  • Hi Toowearyforoutrage,

    Mormons don’t believe that Christ is less than God. We believe he is God and a member of the Godhead. We don’t accept the Nicene Creed because we don’t believe that the God it describes is supported by the Bible. Like you mentioned, many Christians don’t understand the Trinity themselves and I bet that many of them would agree with the Mormon definition of God than their own church’s definition. Check out this video for more information on why we don’t accept the Nicene Creed.

  • I watched Kennedy’s speech today on CSPAN, and your right. The audiance Mitt is seeking to win over does not want to hear about seperation of church and state!It was interesting to see how JFK was grilled during the Q & A.
    Not much has changed, just an adjective.

  • anney: I appreciate your opinion about needing a Kennedy-style speech. who knows…maybe he’ll give one. I personally don’t think it will do very much good. The truth is that most people that oppose Romney on the subject of religion are more like “toowearyforoutrage” and less like “dajafi”. At least dajafi has an opinion on the actual candidate.

    I just don’t understand how so many people still think we’re so “fringe” that we need special speeches that are not required of other candidates. Americans don’t need some special speech. What they need to do is to go out and meet a couple of Mormons. It’s not like we’re hiding from you in some compound. There are 12.5 million of us. Our chior broadcasts nationwide every Sunday morning – and has been doing so longer than any other broadcast in television history. Our church buildings dot your suburbs and our doors are open to anybody. We don’t bite when you come in. We ride around on bicycles talking to you and we come to your doors hoping to be able to introduce ourselves. And the truth is, the vast majority of people who actually KNOW a Mormon know that they we’re not the freakish people that our critics love to portray.

    Why then does anybody that doesn’t meet the standard culturally-acceptable religious stamp need to do a special speech. We are as American as anybody else.

    Mitt Romney, and his father before him, has lived his life in the public light. There is no excuse for people to go around believing that he is on some religious crusade. All he tries to do is talk about America’s needs…but all people seem to want to hear is what he thinks about “magic underwear”.

    Is it really true that if I ever wanted to run for office in this country I love that people would brush off my words and focus instead on their prejudgements?

  • Maybe some conservatives want a religious activist president but they haven’t ever had one that I can recall. Certainly Romney would not fit that bill. But if they wanted a president who fundamentally believes in the sanctity of life and the family and whose loyalty to our country is unquestioned then he fits in spades. Other than that I can’t ever recall any conservative say that they expect the president to be a Christian spokesman in the White House.

    An explanation of LDS doctrine by Romney would have to reference our 12th Article of Faith which says: “We believe in being subject to kings, presidents, rulers, and magistrates, in obeying, honoring, and sustaining the law.” By definition then, LDS Church leaders in Salt Lake would not intervene in political matters. If that was not so, Harry Reid would surely have been taken to task. One can look around at other LDS political leaders to see that the church has not interfered with their political duties.

  • Another thing- Mormons and historical Christians are at odds over doctrine. Both believe they are right and the other is not. That is a given going into any discussion of Mormonism so it should not be a topic for discussion. What is legitimate is just how Romney’s religious beliefs affect him daily and how they would affect his decision making. We already know Salt Lake would have no input on a Romney presidency. Would any Christian have a problem with personal and family prayer? Would they object to asking for Divine assistance in dealing with the daily problems a president faces? I guess the next logical question is just what specifically would historical Christians be concerned with?

  • It’s impossible for me to work up any sniffles or tears about the persecution poor Mitt might face if rude people start asking in polite company about how kooky his beliefs are.

    Why, if he was (shudder) an atheist the same people would be tripping over themselves to deride him. He wouldn’t even be allowed on the ballot.

    “And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother’s eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?” — Matt Drudge 7:3

  • I dont see any problem with Romney being Mormon. He’s clearly the only Republican candidate who is even vaguely qualified for the office, in terms of being (a) not kill-crazy, (b) having demonstrated some competence in government, and (c) having the appetite for the enormous workload.

    My problem is that he’s a Republican, and even a competent Republican is going to hand out riches to the rich, and give the poor the back of his hand.

  • WeAreAmericans and all other Mormons on the board,

    Having been raised in a Mormon house in “the mission field” (ie, not Utah), I will say that for the most part, Mormons are some of the nicest, most honest, hardworking, generous people I have ever met. They are also some of worst elitist snobs I have ever been subjected to. Since moving to Utah my little sister (part black, part Hispanic), has been called racial epithets to her face in her high school in Provo. That never happened back home on the Eastern Seaboard. Just goes to show that any majority in power will abuse anyone different from them, regardless of religion.

    I won’t vote for Mitt for the same reasons I won’t vote for any Republican ever: I refuse to support any group whose official platform is to hate, denigrate, and legislate people like me (female, gay, non-Christian, doesn’t want children) into second-class citizenship with no protections under the law. My devout Mormon parents won’t vote for Mitt or any other Republican for the same reasons. It’s a damn shame that religions which espouse hatred and ignorance dictate the GOP’s social platforms.

  • It’s about time thet someone besides Scallia talked about the fallacy of the “Separation of Church and State”.

    That phrase is not in the constitution and is not constitutional in any sense. What the constitution does is put limits on congress in order to protect religion from Government!

    This sound bite phrase is so convenient in promoting anti-religious activity, that it has produced a 180 degree switch in intent, and now is used almost exclusively to protect government from religion.

    Naturally many hope it would be political suicide to talk about this. If so, so be it. Truth will eventually triumph – even over corrupt judges.

  • As far as the whole “Mormon issue” is concerned. It is time for the media to stop trying to make this a big deal. It is the Media who are fueling this fire of bigoted sensationalizm. The media want Romney to give a big JFK style speach because it will provide something sensational to write about. There are some who don’t like Romney, because they don’t like The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints. Rather than encourage this attitude, the media should call it out for what it is, blatant bigotry. These people don’t like Mormons because Mormons were not born from the same common root of Catholism and are therfore seperate from the rest of American Christianity. Mitt Romney is the most comprehensively qualified candidate running for President and the most talented. That is what he should be judged on and nothing else.

  • Simply it would be a bad idea to give a speech about his religion. when JFK did.

    There are so many more Catholics in the USA than in the USA, if I were catholic and a candidate I would do my utmost to se my own vote for me. If Romney did it, even if every lds voted for him, he would be so far away form the whitehouse its laughable.

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