Will Senate Dems say no to Joe?

On Monday, Roll Call reported that Sen. [tag]Joe Lieberman[/tag] (I) has little to fear for abandoning his party and rejecting the will of primary voters. The paper reported that “key [tag]Democrats[/tag] aren’t anticipating outward signs of friction between the Connecticut lawmaker and his colleagues,” and there are few if any signs of tension between Lieberman and the caucus (or even within the causus about Lieberman).

The Hill did some digging of its own, however, and reports today that there may be a few problems for the Connecticut senator after all.

A group of Senate Democrats is growing increasingly angry about Sen. Joe [tag]Lieberman[/tag]’s (D-Conn.) campaign tactics since he lost the Democratic primary last week.

If he continues to alienate his colleagues, Lieberman could be stripped of his seniority within the Democratic caucus should he defeat Democrat [tag]Ned Lamont[/tag] in the general election this November, according to some senior Democratic aides.

In recent days, Lieberman has rankled Democrats in the upper chamber by suggesting that those who support bringing U.S. troops home from Iraq by a certain date would bolster terrorists’ planning attacks against the U.S. and its allies. He also sparked resentment by saying last week on NBC’s Today show that the Democratic Party was out of the political mainstream.

The Roll Call piece was apparently based on Lieberman’s immediate actions after last week’s primary, which were troublesome, but not immediately threatening to the national Democratic message. The Hill piece, however, reflects the Dems’ reaction to some of Lieberman’s more offensive comments, and how his strategy hurts more than just Ned [tag]Lamont[/tag].

“I think there’s a lot of concern,” said a senior Democratic aide who has discussed the subject with colleagues. “I think the first step is if the Lieberman thing turns into a side show and hurts our message and ability to take back the Senate, and the White House and the [National Republican Senatorial Committee] manipulate him, there are going to be a lot of unhappy people in our caucus.”

The question then becomes what comes next. Frankly, Lieberman simply may not care.

Let’s say the comments to The Hill were a shot across the bow. Dems want Lieberman to know they’re concerned, and that there may be consequences for his anti-Democratic rhetoric. What’s Lieberman’s motivation to change?

No matter how angry he makes his “friends,” it’s not like the DSCC can withhold campaign support. He could tone down his rhetoric, but he’s far more concerned with his career than helping Dems reclaim a majority in the Senate. Dems can threaten loss of seniority, but Lieberman knows he can simply walk across the aisle and caucus with Republicans if Dems push him too hard.

This is not to say the Dems have no leverage at all. Lieberman wants the party to simply stay out of Connecticut altogether, and focus resources elsewhere. With this in mind, the message from the Dem leadership should simply be: “Joe, if you keep undermining the party, you’ll lose your [tag]seniority[/tag] and we’re making [tag]Connecticut[/tag] a top 2006 priority.”

I believe Dems don’t really have a choice. Lieberman can’t be rewarded for disloyalty.

“Lieberman’s tone and message has shocked a lot of people,” said a second senior Democratic aide who has discussed the issue with other Senate Democrats. “He’s way off message for us and right in line with the White House.”

“At this point Lieberman cannot expect to just keep his seniority,” said the aide. “He can’t run against a Democrat and expect to waltz back to the caucus with the same seniority as before. It would give the view that the Senate is a country club rather than representative of a political party and political movement.”

The more Dems remember that, the better.

In recent days, Lieberman has rankled Democrats in the upper chamber by suggesting that those who support bringing U.S. troops home from Iraq by a certain date would bolster terrorists’ planning attacks against the U.S. and its allies. He also sparked resentment by saying last week on NBC’s Today show that the Democratic Party was out of the political mainstream.

Hubris knows no apology….

  • If he wins on the line Connecticut for Lieberman, tell him he is a third party member and has to rejoin the Democrats with no seniority if he wants in the caucus starting Januardy 2007.

    If we win control of the Senate and how much we win by may have a lot to do with how Joe is treated. And don’t forget, there is always Zell Miller ready to jump parties if the Republican’ts need him to keep control. Ol’ Zell is a lot more conservative than Joe Lieberman.

  • Like I said yesterday, Joe cares about Joe and only Joe. You have to give him one option — switch parties. Tell him if the GOP campaigns for him and supports him Dems will not. Tell him that if he wins as an Independnet he gets no senority in our caucus. Kvetching over this issue is only damaging to the party. Give Joe no options and he loses his power.

    A man so self-important, so determined to improve his personal standing over everything else will not sit quietly while the Dems demote him. He will run to the warm arms of the GOP spin machine and deep pockets.

    No more Joe! He has to go!

  • Joe is like the active alcoholic which the entire dysfunctional family (the Dems) willingly re-arranges its life around.

    As Mr. Rogers on PBS used to sing: “Wouldn’t you like to be, my enabler.”

  • How many republicans are going to get behind Joe before we yank all his seniority/privileges. He is runny as an Indy, but in reality his is running as republican and everyone knows it. He can’t win unless he gets their votes & cash, yet he is privy to all of our strategies.

    Does anyone think for a minute Joe won’t spill the beans about meeting X if person Y contributes to his campaign and promises some voters.

    This is childish and letting Joe stick around is pathetic.

  • Joe should be treated like a jug of milk: he definetely needs to be thrown out by his expiration date, but he should be tossed if goes sour before then.

    Speaking of Zell, does anyone else picture Joe standing on the rostrum at the 08 Repub convention giving a tirade against his former party to the wild cheers of a bunch of rich white corporate folks? I see it pretty vividly.

  • I wouldn’t even say he’s running as a Republican. He’s running as an anti-democrat. He may be borrowing a bit o’ Cheney and a dab o’ Rove for his Lie/Con party but he’s still not their man no matter how much he wants to be.

    Lieberman’s usefulness to the Bush Admnistration is that of a useful idiot. He gives them both the impression of bipartisanship on many issues and allows them to sell the message that Democrats are fractured. Additionally, the GOP see a Lie/Con victory as a slap in the face against Democrats and democracy.

    We can’t do much about the second point, but we can stop Lieberman from being a useful idiot by distancing from him. If every Democratic Senator and Congressperson would disavow him and support Lamont and tell the public that no matter what Joe says, he’s not a Democrat then we’ve taken that bipartisan mumbo jumba away from the GOP and FOX NEWS.

    I think part of this is stripping him from comittee positions and revoking any party power he has now. I don’t care if he’s still an elected Democrat. He didn’t wait until the end of his term to stab the Democrats in the back, he did and is doing that now and every day. Until he supports the Democratic candidate in CT, he’s a traitor and deserves to be treated as such post haste.

  • He can’t win unless he gets their votes & cash, yet he is privy to all of our strategies.

    Does anyone think for a minute Joe won’t spill the beans about meeting X if person Y contributes to his campaign and promises some voters.

    ScottW has it right. Lieberman should no longer be invited to strategy sessions, caucus meetings, or receive party memos. He’s basically said he’s no longer a Democrat. There’s no reason to hand him the party’s playbook so he can use it against Lamont or any other Democrat.

  • “What’s Lieberman’s motivation to change?”

    Frankly, I think he’s the engineer on his own crazy train, and change is out of the question.

  • And don’t forget, there is always Zell Miller ready to jump parties if the Republican’ts need him to keep control. Ol’ Zell is a lot more conservative than Joe Lieberman.

    I thought Zell retired. Is he still in the Senate actively caucasing with the Dems? After his vitriolic performance at the GOP convention? Surely not…

  • Zell Miller didn’t run for re-election in 2004, so he’s not caucusing with anyone these days. I think Bush appointed him to the committee that oversees Arbor Day festivities as a reward for his “cooperation.”

  • Thanks Edo, make me feel bad ;-(

    Saxby Chambless (R) replaced Max Clelland (D), the triple amputee Vietnam vet.

    Johnny Isakson (R) replaced Zell Miller (D), the treasonous dog.

    So you are right, no switch by Zell.

  • doubtful has it right, the SOB has to be vehemently disavowed poste haste by the Dems, stripped of his power in the Senate, and thrown out of the Democratic party to boot. Who doubts that if he wins he’ll defect to the GOP? Who’d want him back with the Dems anyway? We’re not looking for DINOs in the Senate, we want real Democrats. He sure hasn’t done us any favors lately, and he’s only getting a whole lot worse now. I had the suspicion that Dems weren’t disavowing him wholesale to allow time to talk him out of his “independent” run, but as every day goes by I lose more patience with that concept, if indeed that’s what’s going on behind the scenes. Dragging this out only makes him more intransigent, if his comments are any indication. I say kick the bitch to the curb now. Off with his head!

  • Like I said before, when Lieberman wins the general election, all you folks will be singing a much different tune, praying he sways back towards the left from where he’ll be in November after he’s elected.

    But maybe given the partisan venom that is being sprayed, you’d rather see the Democratic Party lose a seat to an ‘Independent Joe’ vs. seeing the ‘moderate Democrat Joe’ in it. Hence your limited success in national elections over the last 10 years…

  • Aw, shucks… So much immoderate heat being generated, and for why? We don’t hafta give him the axe; just keep paying out the rope.

  • You know, when I first came to DC in 1993, there were a lot of establishment DC Democrats who felt Bill Clinton was a DINO. These Democrats were lamenting that the nation did not elect a real Democrat to the White House. Many of those people whining about Clinton not being a real Democrat came to work in his Administration when they lost the majorities in Congress.

    If Lieberman wins, I predict all will be forgiven. I predict that he will not be stripped of Committee Assignments and he will lose no seniority. I predict he will not do a Zell Miller, and will not switch parties. In fact, I predict that if Lieberman wins, he’ll be stronger in the Causus than he is currently.

    The cynic in me says “All you who want to dump Lieberman from the Caucus if he wins need to run yourselves, get elected, and then vote to dump him when and if that time comes.”

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