Winning over half a football stadium in Columbus, OH

For most of us, comparing Bill Clinton’s sins with George W. Bush’s is a pretty easy task. The prior had personal failings; the latter has presidential failings. The prior lied about his personal mistakes; the latter lies about matters of state.

ABC News’ The Note, responding to Howard Dean’s comments last night that “it’s a bad example for our kids for the President to insist it’s alright to break the law,” had a different take on the Clinton-Bush comparison.

Wethinks doing everything you believe to be legal and justified to protect Americans against terrorism is not at all viewed the same way by the American people as doing everything you believe to be legal and justified to protect yourself from an intern sex scandal.

Howard Dean seemed off to a good start when he reaffirmed the Democrats’ belief that the United States should most definitely be spying on terrorists. Then the DNC Chairman was unable to come up with any evidence of a wiretap of a domestic-to-domestic call having nothing to do with Al Qaeda or its associates. Dean also ventured into his message that Democrats also “believe in the law.”

Note to [DNC pollster] Cornell Belcher: What data are you using to brief Dean that shows his take on the NSA spying story as the right approach to win over half a football stadium in Columbus, OH?

The idea that Bush’s defiance of the law is easy to justify struck me as more-than-a-little bizarre. But if we take The Note’s GOP-leaning spin at face value, what does it take to convince half a football stadium in Columbus, OH?

Most of the arguments to date have focused on three principal approaches: privacy, civil liberties, and the rule of law. But Washington Monthly’s Paul Glastris suggests there’s a far more persuasive frame to this debate that’s gone largely unnoticed: incompetence.

Most people agree, or can be convinced, that in order to root out terrorist threats we need to give the NSA enhanced permission to snoop on domestic communications. But this is a potentially very dangerous power we’re giving the government. So the question is, do we trust the Bush administration to use this power with care and competence?

The answer is, of course not. The administration has shown, time and again, that it can’t be trusted to manage the power it has. Iraq, Katrina, the budget, mine safety, prescription drugs — each and every one a monumental screw-up. What possible reason do we have to presume that the administration hasn’t screwed up the NSA eavesdropping program?

That’s a good point. We’re talking about an administration that hasn’t been able to execute almost any aspect of governing effectively. But in handling a delicate, extra-constitutional surveillance program that listens in on Americans’ conversations, part of the implicit administration defense is, “Trust us; we know what we’re doing.”

Sorry, but that train left a long time ago. The idea that the Bush gang has credibility on government competence might be comical if it weren’t so sad.

As a practical matter, that’s one of the reasons our system has checks and balances. If the administration, any administration, is screwing up governing too much, there are other branches who can notice and reign the executive branch in. Except here. Bush not only expects us to trust him as he allows the government to listen to phone calls, he also expects to do without any oversight, at all, from anyone.

If this were a competent administration, it would merely be offensive from a constitutional perspective. But in light of Bush gang’s record of incompetence, it’s far too much to ask.

I mostly worry that the NSA, or even the FBI, after having determined that a US Person is innocent, is forgetting to destroy the collected data. Worse yet, I expect someday, they are just going to turn over some of that data to a person’s prospective employer to keep them from getting a job.

Say, some liberal sounding person trying to get a job in Government?

  • So Dean needs to provide the proof of wrongdoing? Like he’s some kind of investigator? Well, I guess anything’s ok, then, as long as you don’t get caught.

  • The most obvious indication of this government’s incompetance:

    They didn’t keep this “secret” program a secret.

    They knowingly circumvented the law and attached the word “secret” to their program (so secret, in fact, that they called for an investigation to find out the person/people who leaked it).

    How can Americans expect them to administer this program competantly when they can’t even keep it the very essence of the program to themselves?

  • As much as I hate to say it, the American people seem to care naught for privacy or civil liberties when it comes to their security. The Dems would (gulp!) do well to stop flogging those points (as much as I strongly believe in them!) and instead concentrate on the rule of law when arguing against Bush’s domestic wiretaps. And incompetence when given the opportunity to talk in broad terms rather than specific issues. What else is there to argue? I don’t know. But incompetence is a big one when it comes to national security. It’s important to contrast Bush’s incompetence from the strength it claims to have.

    That said, I’m constantly reminded these days by something Thomas Jefferson once said, “Those who would sacrifice their liberty for their security will lose both and deserve neither.” I could be paraphrasing (and I could have the attribution wrong!) but I think of it all the time whenever I hear of broad support for Bush’s domestic spying program.

  • Rian, I believe that quote was from Ben Franklin.

    I too, have grave doubts about this admin’s ability to handle anything without bungling it. I believe that is why whoever leaked info on this NSA spying did so. They saw how incompetently it was being handled and the dangers it posed to regular hardworking red-blooded Americans.

    However, my suspicion is that most dyed-in-the-wool Repugs (and even most people who don’t follow politics but allow themselves to let the MSM wash their brains every night), don’t see this President as incompetent.

    The war in Iraq? It’s going well, the MSM just doesn’t want to tell us the GOOD news.

    Hurrican Katrina? Mayor Nagin and other state and local authorities are to blame.

    Domestic spying? Hey, the man is trying to protect us. If you have nothing to hide….

    Medicare Drug program? What’s that. (or if over 60) Those dang beuracrats!

    This Preznit has made an art form out of dodging accountability. Even when it comes to incompetence.

    Pass the Kool-Aid please…I need a vacation.

  • Dean could win over much more than half a football stadium in Columbus, Ohio, by simply saying, “Fuck Michigan!” But then he’d have trouble in Ann Arbor.

  • The president’s incompetence is certainly something that the American people need to be able to talk about, when they talk about this issue.

    Also, here, I think the main point we need to not get away from is, why did they go ahead without the warrant? We’ve got to assume that this program either went beyond the bounds of what most would want government to do, or that it partly wasn’t at all about investigating terrorism, but was instead a plain abuse of power.

  • The problem with “incompetence” as a rallying cry is that it’s not (a) not considered impeachable, the way wilful criminality is and (b) not special to the Republicans. Sure, this White House is much more incompetent. But that’s not going to help us out much in 2006.

  • Competent conservatives become successful businessmen.

    Incompetent conservatives become Republican politicans.

    Competent liberals become Democratic politicans.

    Incompetent liberals become ?????

    Just a thought.

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