With rising gas prices, reluctance to drilling fades

This week, high-profile Republicans, many of whom had opposed coastal drilling, enthusiastically reversed course and began demanding that coastal drilling begin immediately. This was especially jarring in Florida, where Gov. Charlie Crist and Sen. Mel Martinez — both Republicans who had opposed offshore drilling as recently as last week — came out in support of the Bush/McCain policy.

It appears that the GOP is just following the political winds. Drilling, all of a sudden, is enjoying broader public support.

Most voters favor the resumption of offshore drilling in the United States and expect it to lower prices at the pump, even as John McCain has announced his support for states that want to explore for oil and gas off their coasts.

A new Rasmussen Reports telephone survey — conducted before McCain announced his intentions on the issue — finds that 67% of voters believe that drilling should be allowed off the coasts of California, Florida and other states. Only 18% disagree and 15% are undecided. Conservative and moderate voters strongly support this approach, while liberals are more evenly divided (46% of liberals favor drilling, 37% oppose).

Sixty-four percent (64%) of voters believe it is at least somewhat likely that gas prices will go down if offshore oil drilling is allowed, although 27% don’t believe it. Seventy-eight percent (78%) of conservatives say offshore drilling is at least somewhat likely to drive prices down. That view is shared by 57% of moderates and 50% of liberal voters.

The Rasmussen poll comes around the same time as a Gallup poll that found a similar result: “Fifty-seven percent of Americans favor allowing oil drilling in coastal and wilderness areas that are currently off-limits. Forty-one percent of Americans oppose allowing drilling in those areas, and 2 percent have no opinion.”

So, is this a political problem for opponents of coastal and ANWR drilling? Perhaps, but it seems easy enough to move the needle in the other direction.

At first blush, it would seem the Bush/McCain policy is the politically salient one. Putting the substance aside, the argument seems straightforward and persuasive to those who don’t know better — if we increase supply, the price will go down. The environment’s nice, but paying less at the pump is even nicer.

Indeed, the wording of the poll questions prompted a predictable result. Gallup asked respondents if they would favor “allowing oil drilling in U.S. coastal and wilderness areas now off-limits to oil exploration” as part of an “attempt to reduce the price of gasoline.”

Rasmussen asked, “In order to reduce the price of gas, should drilling be allowed in offshore oil wells off the coasts of California, Florida, and other states?”

I wouldn’t say the questions were necessarily biased, but given the public’s point of view right now, if Rasmussen has asked, “In order to reduce the price of gas, would you be willing to get punched repeatedly in the face by the Heavyweight Champion of the World?” a majority would have probably said yes.

The point, of course, is that the public only has part of the story. Americans are under the impression that if we start drilling, we’ll get oil, and we might see some relief at the pump. The response, then, is simple — tell the public the truth. Even if we started coastal and wilderness drilling this morning, consumers wouldn’t benefit until 2017, if ever.

I suspect people are telling pollsters they support drilling because they’re just desperate. If there’s a chance prices would drop to, say, $3 a gallon, a lot of folks would accept drilling in their living room. So Dems and everyone else who cares about the policy just need to note reality — drilling won’t help, and wishing doesn’t make it so.

Offshore drilling is fine if you don’t live on the coast of Florida and California.

  • I wouldn’t say the questions were necessarily biased

    Would it be biased if the question were, “In order to save the beauty and economic viability of California beaches, would you support a ban on off-shore drilling?” Seems to me that if you ask a question in hopes of getting one answer, it’s biased. And when you report the results without telling people the context, it is most certainly biased.

  • I would like to see Obama and the Democratic congressional “leaders” offer the Republicans a compromise — demand that the Republicans personally guarantee that taxpayers will not have to pay for any environmental cleanup related to drilling offshore or in ANWR.

    The way the personal guarantee would work is that everyone who votes to approve additional drilling would sign a binding contract where they would forfeit all their assets (less $25,000 — enough to pay for a 10 year old used car and a down payment on a double-wide) to reimburse the federal government if it ever has to pay for any kind of cleanup caused by the drilling. Bush and Cheney would also be required to sign such contacts, along with the directors and top three levels of executives at the oil companies.

    Since the Republicans are the party of “personal responsibility”, they should eagerly embrace this proposal. And since they’ve been arguing that we are in a new, modern era of drilling — one where there is no risk to the environment — there shouldn’t be any chance that the contracts will ever have to be enforced. Right?

    Just a suggestion . . . .

  • Nobody ever got elected by telling the American people Inconvienient Truths.

    But here’s the deal; Even if gas was $10/gal, you could pay less for it if you would just carpool.

    Look at the cars on the roads, they are mostly empty.

    Once we have gotten past the freedom fetish of the personal private commute, we’ll save enough fuel to keep us going for decades. So the question becomes “would you rather carpool or hand your kids a huge mess?”

    Obama will have to explain that to everyone, and he will take a beating from the same creeps who bashed Carter, but I think he’s tough enough to make it work. He has to, for our children’s sake.

    And we have to cover him as he takes the incoming fire.

  • And for now, I’d say the Obama team should say “fine, we will consider all options, including more drilling. But the environmental cleanup costs will have to be insured, and that insurance must be paid for by the people who will profit from the oil revenues.” (that would sink the idea fiscally, because those costs would be astronomical)

    And then they should segue into the other areas of energy policy that the American people support to the Republicans’ chagrin, like efficiency mandates and serious investment into renewable energy.

    It’s Jujitsu time.

  • “Nearly three-fourths of the 40 million acres of public land currently leased for oil and gas development in the continental United States outside Alaska isn’t producing any oil or gas…” – Associated Press

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5111184

    Democrats need to ask why they should open environmentally sensitive areas to drilling when most of the current areas under lease by the oil companies aren’t being explored.

  • Given the stupidity of the average American, and given the vapidity of the media, do you honestly think this issue can be addressed in such a way that people are informed enough to really make a decision?

    First, the bottleneck is at the refinery stage of the process, not the drilling stage. If we had a govt that truly represented the people and their interests, some of the billions upon billions of dollars that the oil companies are reaping could be used to get refinery plants going again. That’s what should be done regarding fossil fuels — but the real emphasis should be on alternates to oil.

  • Unfortunately, drilling has become symbolic in the environmental debate, and it’s misplaced. This is a battle we will eventually lose. Every drip of oil will eventually be sucked out of the Earth. It’s just a matter of time. In terms of damage, it’s a pinprick compared to strip-mining and other things.

    Our focus needs to be on pushing for alternative fuels, and the science of global warming because we are on solid ground. Opposition to nuclear, which is about the cleanest energy outside of solar, and drilling just aren’t the priority.

    The more expensive oil gets, and the more limited the supply, the higher the public demand will be for drilling, and the greater the public belief that environmentalism hurts the economy. But the demand for alternative fuels will rise, will convince people one can be environmental and economically sound, and will eventually decrease the demand for oil, and therefore drilling.

  • Here’s a better idea than drilling for a limited amount of oil which we really shouldn’t burn anyway: Tap into unlimited renewable energy.

    The states would raise capital through a bond issues and construct wind-farms on state-owned lands. The income from all the wind farms would then go into the fund of each state, (or with the Feds if in partnership) to fund whatever programs they wanted to use the funds for: Debt reduction, Health Care, Green Subsidies for individuals, Tax relief, etc. On top of the income from selling wind generated electricity into the grid, the wind farm states would be eligible to sell their carbon credits – adding incremental income to each state’s bottom line.

    If many of the states started their own wind farms to subsidize their budgets; taxes could be lowered

    …Why should the shareholders of the oil and coal fired utility companies have a monopoly on dividend income from energy generation? With wind power, states can now be part of the solution and benefit greatly form the income stream it generates. The best kicker of all is: it is a way to pay for all the programs that need to be implemented to save our society and infrastructure. By authorizing Green Referendums in November, the people will be giving Obama the tools he will need to change America to a greener, cleaner place.

    There is no reason why the states can not only be the impetus for change and even profit from that change. We can do this while creating a new paradigm to answer four major problems facing our society with one Referendum for Revenue. Republicans gave us debt, Democrats come up with ideas to generate revenue to pay it off and fix what’s broken.

    http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/6/19/105154/338/663/538349

  • zhak said:
    First, the bottleneck is at the refinery stage of the process, not the drilling stage. If we had a govt that truly represented the people and their interests, some of the billions upon billions of dollars that the oil companies are reaping could be used to get refinery plants going again.

    There’s a nice spot of land near Crawford, TX that would be an ideal location for a new refinery. It can go on the upwind side of a large estate and fake “ranch” that’s empty except when it’s being used as a backdrop for television.

  • Even if we started coastal and wilderness drilling this morning, consumers wouldn’t benefit until 2017, if ever.

    Let’s add a couple of more facts to this statement, shall we?

    Begin with the fact that the oil companies have had, in their possession, for quite a long while now, a lot of offshore acreage called “leases” that they haven’t even bothered to explore. Why did they wait until the nation’s fuel supply became prohibitively expensive for most Americans?

    Add to that another fact, in that the Bush administration sat on an executive order, put into place not by the Clinton administration, but by the previous Republican administration, the GHW Bush administration, that curtailed offshore drilling in the first place. Why have the Bush/McCain cartel refrained from lifting this ban for the past 2,710 days? Two Thousand, Seven Hundred and Ten Days ?!?

    Finally, it is physically impossible to begin coastal drilling today. There are only so many drill-ships on the planet, and they’re all booked solid until at least 2013—so the initial “benefit date” for consumers cannot physically arrive until sometime in the year 2022—at the very least. That’s 14 years from now.

    We could go on a crash conversion program, construct alternative power sources (solar, wind, hydro, clean-coal that puts emphasis on “clean” instead of “coal”, waste-product exploitation, hydrogen, and nex-gen batteries) on a massive scale, do the research and development work for safer models of nuclear power generation, and be 100% petroleum free before 2022.

    That is, if we have the courage to call the blatant lies of the Bush/McCain cartel exactly what they are—LIES….

  • 64% of voters prove that Mencken was right when he said “nobody ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American people.” Dumbass drooling morons that they are.

    Right now, if the idiots in Congress approved this tomorrow, and the leases were finished in a month (which won’t happen) it would be more than five years before anyone could lay hands on a drilling ship (they’re booked 5 years out right now). It would be 5 more years before they had exploitable oil sites if they were completely successful in the hung (which has never happened in history) and oil would show up in about 2020 at the earliest. And it would drop world oil prices about a nickel a gallon.

    Of course, the oil companies would make out like the bandits they are.

    Watching the American sheeple get fleeced (once again) is not a nice sight.

  • “In order to reduce the price of gas, should drilling be allowed in offshore oil wells off the coasts of California, Florida, and other states?” Rasmussen evidently supports offshore drilling, to provide the counterfactual rationale as part of the question.

    Memekiller at #9, yes it’s likely that the contested oil reserves will all eventually be emptied–but not necessarily to be burned as fuel. Future generations, who will know how to make miraculous plastics, but lack the raw materials to mass produce them, will look back and shake their heads.

  • What memekiller said in #9. If we spent even 5% of our oil import costs on renewable fuel research, we’d put the oil companies out of business pronto. Right now we spend $700B/year on imported oil.

  • First, we need to start working on sustainable communities. Jobs, shopping and living within walking, biking or whatever distance. If everyone has to drive 30 miles to a job, gas will forever be needed.

    Then we need to create better levels of mass transit; beit car pooling for those who have to travel (ideally, company sponsored vans and busses which will allow that many more commuters).

    And we need to develop all methods of alternative energy (gee, wouldn’t it be nice if we did so in the US and didn’t allow other countries to best us – again? Yeah, nevermind…I know.) we can possibly think of.

    As long as gas and oil are IT (not to mention the oil men in the WH and the multitude of billions of dollars which are on the table – and which no oil company will allow to remain on the table) until which time that they have sucked us all drier than dry, no one will do anything.

    Period.

  • zhak @ 8:

    Given the stupidity of the average American, and given the vapidity of the media, do you honestly think this issue can be addressed in such a way that people are informed enough to really make a decision?

    Starting from that premise, real success is an impossibility. If you believe people cannot be educated and cannot be trusted to see issues clearly, then you believe the entire democratic enterprise is doomed. I feel the opposite. People are generally smarter than given credit, but they are uninformed. So our job becomes, get them the information.

    This isn’t to say that we’re struggling against a mighty head wind. But you know what the great American pasttime used to be? Politics. It’s in our blood. We’ve been lulled by a half-century of TV but it’s still there.

  • Good job by Steve in #12.

    If there aren’t enough drilling ships, then the point is moot.

  • I humbly suggest new Poll Questions, which mirror the truth more closely than gallup’s:

    “Are you willing to lease more government land to Oil companies so they can hold on to it for 25 years, until they can screw your children?”

    OR

    “Are you willing to let Oil companies screw your children if that meant paying more at the pump?”

  • Oil and Coal are nature’s carbon sequestration. Why in the world would we want to undo that?

    1st Paradox is correct that plastics are the proper future for this stuff. On the other hand landfills are being choked by plastic waste, and even worse, breadbaskets like Uganda are no longer fertile because of thin plastic bags that destroy the soil when they are lost and allowed to just float around, get tied into the land and poison and dry up the soil.

    In short, we should leave it where it is until we are a little more mature about using the stuff.

  • Bernard is right (in #17) about the people being uninformed rather than stupid. The media has been allowed to deliberately mislead the people, and that needs to change. I would say that should be one of the number one priorities of the Obama administration, enacting law to make deliberate deception by media entities a serious crime. Right now they have the legal right to lie, they won that a long time ago and it needs to be revoked.

    http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8932894636742527407

  • The survey results are not surprising. When the price of gas gets high enough, the American public will support drilling in their grandmother’s gravesite.

  • I suspect people are telling pollsters they support drilling because they’re just desperate. CB

    I agree completely, but China has a cap on the price of gas, in China they are not allowed to charge more than $3.00 per gallon today, which is up 60 cents from earlier this year.

    Consumption has only begun to slow down in China, and last month the United States was overtaken by China in overall consumption of oil for the first time ever.

    Demand is going to remain high, and will likely go higher increasing prices exponentially.

    So, of course the people are changing their minds in respect to drilling, we are paying twice as much today for gas as we were a couple of years ago and it isn’t slowing down.

    Barack Obama is going to lose on this issue if he doesn’t realize how much this affects everyday people and “follow the political winds”.

  • Racer X (and Steve), and let me know if you hear – on any news show – that there aren’t enough drilling ships.

    I heard reference to it once in the last week (while I was doing a self-imposed “What do you learn from Watching TV only” test…and it was in passing only.

    Yes, the American People are pretty ignorant…but they have help. Alot of help. Thankfully, mass media outside of the internet is a dying breed (with its audience being said breed in the most literal of terms). I can only hope that there is a modicum of intellectual curiosity left in the younger people in this country. Because mass media fails us – and them – miserably.

  • Here’s one point that I don’t think I’ve seen anywhere in this pseudo-debate over drilling offshore and in ANWR: how much of the oil will actually make it into the United States? The oil will go to the highest bidder, be that the U.S., Europe, China, or India–most likely, some mix of all four as well as other countries, like Japan. I know that, being geographically close to the U.S., it would make more sense (in terms of being cheaper to transport short distances to refineries) for the oil to then come to the U.S., but there’s no guarantee being talked about, is there? Who knows what the relative economic positions of the the big industrialized (and quickly industrializing) countries will be in 25 years. Given the precipitous decline the U.S. is facing in its standard of living (that’s the subject for another post, but it’s a definite possibility if not a probability), it could well be that the U.S. won’t be in a position to outbid other countries for the U.S.’s own oil.

  • Democrats: “Let’s use this crisis as an opportunity to solve several longterm problems at once: oil dependency, pollution, public transit, the economy, etc.”

    Republicans: “Fuck you, your planet and your children. I want cheap gas and I want it NOW!”

  • It won’t be easy, but we need to shift our thinking about gasoline from dollars per gallon to dollars per mile. I don’t buy gasoline because it’s a pleasant liquid, I buy it directly so I can get from point A to B or indirectly so my goods can move from point A to B. If my car got 90 mpg, $6 per gallon gas wouldn’t be any more financially painful than $2 per gallon with a 30 mpg car. Unfortunately, most current cars don’t allow one to easily see the price per mile. That seems to be changing as more vehicles have information systems showing real-time gas consumption.

    The President often wonders what would have happened if Congress had opened up ANWR in 2001 or earlier. I wonder what would have happened if the President had used the national unity brought about by 9/11 as a way to dramatically increase fuel efficiency and invest in renewable energy, instead of as an excuse to destroy civil liberties and have imperialist adventures.

  • MsJoanne,

    http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2008005565_oildrill19.html

    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/19/business/19drillship.html?partner=rssnyt&emc=rss

    http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/06/18/business/ships.php

    http://biz.yahoo.com/nytimes/080619/1194786562821.html?.v=4

    It’s pretty much the same story, but it’s running on four different websites now. I can’t for the life of me figure out why the broadcast media isn’t picking this up—it would be pure dynamite, and a guaranteed audience draw.

  • I’m opposed to drilling, not just for environmental reasons, but also because there are thousands upon thousands of petroleum products that are essential to our current way of life and it’s nice to have a reserve of oil available for the time in the future when the resource is scarce and we have stopped burning it away in our automobiles.

  • We musn’t underestimate the effect this issue could have on the election, or the difficulty in persuading the public that drilling won’t work.

    So far, I don’t see any evidence that the media are treating the issue with facts and common sense. They’re treating it as just another squabble between the parties, with a wink and a hint that of course drilling is the correct answer because it just sounds right if you don’t know anything about oil, which is true of 90% of the American people.

    A real danger is that Democrats up for reelection will abandon principle and support drilling. They’ll abandon ship and where will that leave Obama, and will he be forced to come aboard the drilling barge to avoid going down (what a tortured metaphor).

    We must fight this hard, and keep it simple. Nobody is going to read or listen to an explanation that takes more than a couple of sentences. We’ve got to pack a real wallop into a couple of lines. We have to convince them from a practical point of view, because they don’t care anymore about the environment, and deep down they don’t believe in global warming, and they think renewables are decades away (and they are right about that, at our present pace). They have to be convinced that it just won’t work for a decade or more, that the oil companies have plenty of land now to exploit, that the current crisis is artificial, that plenty of oil will be coming from Iraq, etc. etc. etc.

  • Utter nonsense to think gas and oil prices will decline because of US offshore drilling. This is just more opportunistic exploitation of the public’s emotions, like the lies about Iraq before the rape of that country. And it’s all brought to you by the same propagandists — the GOP media lapdogs.

  • Steve, why? Because it doesn’t support the White House positions. Our media is bought and paid for and even now. with everything that has happened in the last eight years, how often do we see real bad press?

    I don’t get it but it is what it is.

    FISA is the prime example. Too little know enough to care and instead of mass outrage, there is but a peep throughout the internet which obviously isn’t enough to make any real difference.

    I can’t imagine what these assholes in charge are going to have to do to get bad press. Even nuking someone will get them good press,.

    I am starting to think that these really are the End of Times. The rest of the world fears US (as they should with these lunatics in charge) and yes our own population is clueless.

    I think the only thing that will start to make people truly inquisitive is whether or not they will be eating sometime soon. And by that point, will it matter?

  • That was a good article about China MsJoanne, thanks for the link.

    That article linked to a NY Times article about Chinese consumption where they had this to say:

    Prices for gasoline and diesel had been fixed since Nov. 1, even as world oil prices rose 45 percent in that period.

    Astounding that they are just now taking action while the rest of the world suffered huge increases.. of course, the latest news about them dropping their subsidies will help in the short run at least.

    Offshore drilling may not be the answer, but it polls well and I hope it doesn’t benefit McCain too well, they are practically tied in the Electoral College count, and the pundits are saying Obama could win the popular vote, but like Gore, lose the election.

  • Republicans: “Fuck you, your planet and your children. I want cheap gas and I want it NOW!” -chrenson

    I think it would be more accurate to say:

    Fuck you, your planet and your children. I want to give the appearance of supporting cheap gas while lining my pockets with oil money.

  • Emphasis needs to be placed on the 68 million acres (both on land and off-shore) that the oil companies currently have under lease and are ready to be drilled on. But they are NOT DOING SO. Secondly, we don’t need new refineries when the current ones are being operated, BY THE OIL COMPANIES, at only 80% capacity. The Dems have or will soon introduce a bill called “Use it or lose it.” It would charge large fees on oil companies for each lease that sits idle until they start to drill. Eventually, they would lose their rights to lease if they don’t move forward. A second idea, not yet in legislation, is to nationalize the oil refineries so the decisions regarding how much oil is processed is in the hands of the people, not the damn oil companies.

  • So, is this a political problem for opponents of coastal and ANWR drilling? Perhaps, but it seems easy enough to move the needle in the other direction.

    For every one time I hear pushback on this nonsense, I hear the nonsense 100 times (e-mail chains, c-span callers, …).

    Just yesterday, I received two e-mails that were part of e-mail chains criticizing the Dems for high gasoline prices due to them preventing oil companies from drilling.

    Republicans have mastered the art of turning lies into conventional wisdom. We’re going to have to work a little harder on this one.

  • From “How The World Works” at Salon (emphasis mine):

    Joseph Romm writes in to tell us that a study conducted in 2007 by the Department of Energy’s Energy Information Administration scoffs at the notion that offshore drilling will relieve the pressure on oil prices any time soon, or ever.

    The projections in the OCS access case indicate that access to the Pacific, Atlantic, and eastern Gulf regions would not have a significant impact on domestic crude oil and natural gas production or prices before 2030. Leasing would begin no sooner than 2012, and production would not be expected to start before 2017. Total domestic production of crude oil from 2012 through 2030 in the OCS access case is projected to be 1.6 percent higher than in the reference case, and 3 percent higher in 2030 alone, at 5.6 million barrels per day. For the lower 48 OCS, annual crude oil production in 2030 is projected to be 7 percent higher — 2.4 million barrels per day in the OCS access case compared with 2.2 million barrels per day in the reference case. Because oil prices are determined on the international market, however, any impact on average wellhead prices is expected to be insignificant.

    File that prediction along with today’s Wall Street Journal story noting that it would likely be as long as a decade before any oil starts flowing, and you can only conclude that even my optimistic scenario, posted yesterday, in which a mere commitment to drill pops the speculation bubble, seems highly unlikely.

    So, if more drilling would have neither a short term nor long term significant impact, why, really should we bother? There’s only one good explanation I can see, and that is that Western oil companies stand to make huge profits from selling whatever new oil they can pump offshore, ten, twenty, or thirty years from now. Funny, you’d think they’d be satisfied by having somehow managed to beat out the Russians, Chinese and Indians for lucrative oil concessions in Iraq.

    But the best news for oil prices today comes not from Iraq or John McCain’s campaign, but from China. The Chinese government announced that as of midnight Thursday, domestic gasoline and diesel prices will jump 17-18 percent. In contrast to the U.S., where Americans have been radically changing their gasoline consumption habits in a rational response to price hikes, in China, drivers have been shielded by state subsidies from having to cut their consumption. If global demand and supply are to reach equilibrium, such subsidies have to end. (And sure enough, oil futures prices dropped on the news.)

    And one last note: My post yesterday received a link from Real Clear Politics, a clearinghouse for political news that is apparently quite popular with readers of a more conservative bent than the typical Salonista. I especially enjoyed the following comment:

    [Leonard offers] absolutely no proof to support the statement “Unrestrained burning of fossil fuels will continue to raise global temperatures and contribute to rising sea levels and devastating extreme weather events.” Not only is it a Marxist lie, it is impossible for man is not God and he cannot change the Heavens.

    I beg to differ. The Heavens are ours to do with what we please. But we’d better watch our step, or God might get annoyed.

  • Bernard @ 17: I am a pessimist about the state of affairs in the USA. And, you know, I’d like to be optimistic, but see little reason for it. As far as educating the publics goes, the state of education in this country is yet another thing the Republicans (beginning with Reagan) have “fixed.” I know high school students near the top of their class that can neither spell nor read. And I don’t think they’re exceptions to the rule. Unless the rising generation is educated so that they CAN learn, and keep learning, over the course of their lives, how exactly can they become better informed?

    Also — just a general comment: I have recently seen bumper stickers that proclaim: AMERICA DESERVES CHEAP GAS. Is that sweeping the nation or is it local to me? I live in a predominantly Republican town and county in a state that has turned blue directly in response to the astonishing stupidity and colossal malfeasance of the modern-day Republican party.

  • It is very clear what The Great Manipulators Bush /Cheney have done. They directed the oil companies to claim increased demand and therefore the price of oil increased. When what Cheney and Bush were doing with their secret meetings with the Oil companies was paving the way to steal Oil form Iraq . This manipulation paved the way for Americans to accept the Oil Companies take over of the Iraqi oil Make Americans suffer so Bush /Cheney can steal our Treasury for their gain.
    Demcrats agreed to this manipulation because each politician wanted their personal income to increase.
    All the military who have died to obtain this oil,All the military who have suffered PTSD and Brain Injury gave up their lives for Bush /Cheney Cabal to get even richer.
    The Democrats aided and abetted this as well. No wonder the Democrats would not stop the WAR.,
    The politicians followed politics in sending the military to their doom and were not principled in any way. If I were an Iraqi I would be extremely mad and would insist on the rapid departure of American Occupation and the stealing of Their oil supply.

    Will Bush/Cheney ever be held accountable for their war crimes? No because the Democratic politicians sold their souls for IRAQI oil .

  • There are quite a few excellent posted comments on the subject of oil here; which is nice to see. What I would like to see is for Obama and a few ‘brave’ Democrats to condense it in a coherent easily understood concept and talk about it over and over again.

    Sure we’ll need a few ‘bumper sticker’ slogans for the Low IQ and intellectually lazy crowd, and the climate change deniers, etc…. Why not recruit Oprah and some other of these day shows to explain it to their audience.

    I think it would be best to stop pointing fingers at the Republicans and Bush…. Of course they are to blame: we all know that, but it doesn’t help to keep rubbing it in. (Eventhough it feels good to do so – no improvement of the situation though)

    Why not stick to the facts and do like OBAMA: talk to ALL Americans (even the ones who are to blame) Stick to the facts, there are ample facts that do not need to be distorted or exaggerated in order to have an impact.

    Quote the studies that say that drilling rigs are booked at least 5 years out; but dampen it by saying: What if they could do it faster and get them available in 2-3 years..

    Then quote that it would take at least 10 years to get oil out of the ground and at the pump; dampen it by saying: Maybe because of the national importance the oil companies could cut that time in half and we get it in 5 years.

    That would still mean at least 8 years out before the first gasoline hits the pumps.

    Then…
    Ask why the oil companies have been sitting on their leases without exploring them?
    Ask why the President hasn’t taken the lead in offering tax breaks for alternative energy consumption and production? – Democrats offering a plan that is understandable.

    etc…

    There are a lot of good sensible reasons for even the dumbest person to understand without making them feel bad for having voted Republican all these years. Let’s talk to ALL Americans as if they understand what is going on. It will make them feel better.

  • “Democrats need to ask why they should open environmentally sensitive areas to drilling when most of the current areas under lease by the oil companies aren’t being explored.”
    – SteveT, comment 7

    Agreed, although the media should be asking also. Since they won’t, there’s one more boondoggle for repubs to exploit.

    The other question I wait for the media to ask is, “Where’s the supply problem”? In 73-74, the drastic supply cut caused prices to go from 38 cents per gallon to 55. There were long gas lines everywhere. Anyone seen pictures this year of long lines at the pump ANYWHERE? Me either. Yet somehow our prices have doubled. Not too much need to “speculate” on the real cause.

    Also, silence from the MSM about the 6000 plus unexplored current leases. Maybe if the blogs keep hammering on that, I’ll eventually see something on my teevee. You bet.

  • So, what price a pristine environment (not that there’s much left)? Why not cut a little corner off the Mona Lisa? It wouldn’t be missed and you could leave the smile.
    Why not change our travel habits? There’s already a massive shift to public transit. Wouldn’t alternative energy be a better place to drill? Only saying.

  • Lance: OBL has remained at large (or small more likely), with a bounty of $25m on his head, for nearly a decade. Assuming he’s still alive, that’s nigh impossible without absolute local support. So he’s a hero to whoever is giving him sanctuary.
    Second, are you absolutely certain he is the mastermind? It would be too complicate, at this stage, to challenge that received wisdom, but still, he does remain innocent till proved guilty. That’s the way the system works.
    Third, there is an accumulation of evidence, which I feel can no longer be disregarded, that 9/11 was not all that it seems to be. That has to be re-visited. Therefore, I don’t think it is as black and white and a foregone conclusion as popular opinion suggests. The politics is another matter. The issue has to be kept simple for electoral reasons — but that doesn’t mean it is simple.
    Now, outside of the critical 9/11 event, there is justified abhorrence at the conduct of fanatical elements within the Muslim faith. These have been going on for centuries and are indicative of a brutality within, but not exclusive to that religion. The recurrent question we all have to face is: do we meet brutality with brutality, or is there some other, more effective response available.

  • And how long will it take for oil from offshore drilling to have an impact on prices?

    I posted this earlier this week, but it’s worth repeating.

    From the Energy Information Administration:
    Impacts of Increased Access to Oil and Natural Gas Resources in the Lower 48 Federal Outer Continental Shelf

    http://www.eia.doe.gov/oiaf/aeo/otheranalysis/ongr.html

    It’s conclusion:

    “The projections in the OCS access case indicate that access to the Pacific, Atlantic, and eastern Gulf regions would not have a significant impact on domestic crude oil and natural gas production or prices before 2030. Leasing would begin no sooner than 2012, and production would not be expected to start before 2017.”

  • “Even if we started coastal and wilderness drilling this morning, consumers wouldn’t benefit until 2017, if ever.”

    This has gopt to be the stupidiest excuse ever. So I guess a person should not go to Medical school because by your reasoning they won’t be a doctor for 12 years? Take your head out of your butt next time you make a statement.

    Hybrids, Electric cars….all been tried Americans DO NOT want them, how many million american drivers just supposed to all buy new cars?? LOL you people, please come back from fantasyland, let me know when you get here.

    Obama is an idiot wiht his ideas, liek he is just going to snap his fingers *POOF* alternative fuel sources. Americans want to use gas so you tree hugging liberals need to get off your soap box already. Accidents may happen sure, we’ll deal with them.

  • Of course we should start drilling … we should have started drilling off shore and in Alaska years ago. Our national security and independence from the middle east rely on our becoming energy independent. Although we should pursue all forms of energy independence, we don’t even know if the methods other than oil will be effective. Also, the democrat’s lock-step drum beat about the 68 million acres of oil leases are meaningless, since there might not even be oil under that land … but, we know for sure there is oil in Alaska and off shore. This is just more Obama smoke and mirrors and double talk. Keep America strong … vote for Senator John McCain in November!!!

  • I seems to me that I heard recently that Exxon was able to wiggle out of most of the fines and awards to fishermen from the huge oil spill back in the 80’s. That is the way of these companies, they have clout, especially with the current administration. The real problem with more exploration and drilling is that it will not lower gas prices and only prolong the fossil fuel debacle. We need to get off fossil fuels NOW! No more drilling anywhere. No more dirty power plants. I just keep wondering when we are going to move into the 21st century? We can do this.

  • More drilling isn’t going to help us, it will only help the oil companies. It would be years before the drilling would start producing. What would help immediately would be conservation methods. Using alternate means of transportation, getting more fuel efficient cars and alt fuel cars. this is the future. Oil is the past and we seem to want to live in the past.

  • Lee, I wouldn’t blow off other forms of alternative energy so lightly. There are energy sources barely even researched far less exploited. Geothermal energy — accessing the heat in the magma under the Earth’s crust, for example — could transform energy production in a much shorter time than oil prospecting. Have you given thought to wave and tide power? Some countries like Norway are already getting nearly half their electricity from such sources.

  • It is correct that all of the major drillships in the world are under contract for many years into the future. However, the drillships are under contract by oil companies, and can be directed to drill wherever these companies hold leases and see fit to drill. Drilling for oil offshore is extremely capital intensive and has less than a 50% probability of success on any given drill (some wells currently being drilled cost over $250 million to complete). The reservoirs offshore Florida, California, or the East Coast may very well be easier to understand and have a higher probability of success than some of the extremely difficult wells currently being drilled in the central Gulf off Louisiana. A well offshore typically declines at a 30-40% rate annually, so using capital and resources wisely is key to success for oil companies.

    Also, oil companies purchase leases from the federal government to explore for oil. Just because an oil company holds a lease on a piece of land or a tract of ocean, does not mean that there is oil or gas in that area. The oil company may very well have wasted millions of dollars in exploratory wells or analysis of seismic data and found nothing. Also, development of fields is also capital intensive and takes a lot of manpower and time. Bottom line, just because an area is leased does not mean that an oil company is sitting on a spicket that they can turn on and off.

    And finally, I’ll gladly put the responsiblity for all environmental damage that drilling in the Eastern Gulf would have on any and all of my friends and family if I can have a share of the profits. Not only is the risk of any serious environmental incident extremely small, but the cash flow generated would easily cover the cost of any remediation. Not to mention that the royalty revenues the Federal Government receives would sustain the Department of the Interior for quite some time (they’re the guys responsible for maintaining our national parks and protecting endangered species).

  • 67% believe additional drilling will lower prices. Surprise, surprise. It’s probably the same 67% that continually click on spam e-mails and viruses because they believe whatever they say too. There should have been a Manhattan Project for alternatives to oil back in the 70’s. To many politicians beholden to Big Oil. The horse is already out of the barn and best we get now are arguments on how to shut the door.

  • Canada is one of the leading oil producers in the world and yet we still pay top dollar for our gas so exploring/opening /searching for new sources in your own backyard deos’nt equal cheap gas

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