Withdrawal? Who said anything about withdrawal?

The NYT ran a major scoop this morning, explaining that White House officials are starting to see the anti-war writing on the wall, which is leading to considerably debate within the administration about whether Bush can begin a gradual withdrawal of American troops from the war. Much of the Bush gang reportedly hoped to push this off until after the Sept. 15 status report, but no longer see that as feasible.

A few hours later, Tony Snow denied the whole thing.

President Bush is not contemplating withdrawing forces from Iraq now despite an erosion of support among Republicans for his war policy, the White House said Monday. […]

“There is no debate right now on withdrawing forces right now from Iraq,” Snow said.

“The president has said many times that as conditions require and merit that there will be in fact withdrawals and also pulling back from areas of Baghdad and so on,” the press secretary said. “But the idea of trying to make a political judgment rather than a military judgment about how to have forces in the field is simply not true.”

There are a couple of interesting angles to this. First, was the NYT report just plain wrong? I seriously doubt it. As I suggested earlier, I suspect some staffer(s) dished the Times in the hopes of spurring a change in policy — a front-page report in the NYT can shake things up a bit.

Second, Snow dismissed the notion of making “a political judgment,” insisting that a “military judgment” is key. Perhaps that’s why National Security Adviser Stephen Hadley was dispatched to the Hill recently to tell lawmakers that Bush’s “surge” may fail. As Bob Novak tells it, “Some senators were left with the impression the White House still does not recognize the scope of the Iraq dilemma. Worse yet, they see Bush running out the clock until April, when a depleted U.S. military will be blamed for the fiasco.”

One more thing. Snow once again preached the virtue of patience.

“You are not going to expect all the benchmarks to be met at the beginning of something,” Snow said. “You are hoping that you are going to be able to see progress in terms of meeting benchmarks from that beginning stage to what you see in two months.”

Let’s contrast that with what we were told earlier this year.

Defense Secretary Robert Gates says results of boosting the number of U.S. troops in Iraq by some 21,500 will be known “fairly quickly” and the effort to quell violence there has a reasonable prospect of success if the Iraqis fulfill a variety of existing commitments.

Gates told the Senate Armed Services Committee January 12 the first of five new U.S. brigades will arrive in Iraq in mid-January, and U.S.-Iraqi operations to stabilize Iraqi neighborhoods systematically will begin seriously “around the first week of February.”

Remember those words — “fairly quickly” — every time war supporters tell us the surge needs more time to work.

“You are not going to expect all the benchmarks to be met at the beginning of something,” Snow said.

And no one except Dick Cheney did expect benchmarks, like being greeted with flowers and chocolates, to be met at the beginning. . . four years ago.

Newsflash, Tony: you don’t get new beginnings every time things don’t play out like you predicted. Your boss has been at this a long time with little progress to show for it. You may not pull back based on a political judgment, but it appears the Rethugs in the Senate, who have to face the voters, just might.

  • From the NYT story:

    “Mr. Rove had warned that if Mr. Bush went too far in announcing a redeployment, the result could include a further cascade of defections — and the passage of legislation that would force a withdrawal by a specific date, a step Mr. Bush has always said he would oppose.”

    Looks like Bush’s usual MO: double or nothing. I guess he and Cheney are betting they can see the end of Bush’s term, with the risk being a Nixonian forced-resignation. Or maybe they don’t even see that risk. The beauty thing is that Plame’s civil suit will follow them once they’re out.

  • …The boost in troop levels in Iraq has increased the cost of war there and in Afghanistan to $12 billion a month, with the tally for Iraq alone nearing a half-trillion dollars, according to the nonpartisan Congressional Research Service…

    IMPEACH.

  • Maybe we could just send someone over to the WH with padlocks for the doors and a new sign for the lawn that reads, “Home for the Criminally Insane.” (“Yes, of course I know who you are…do you know who you are? You’re the president? How long have you believed that? What? No, I haven’t talked to Mr. Cheney yet. Oh – there’s Mr. Cheney – I think it’s time for your medicine, sir. Yes, I know it makes you feel funny, but we can’t have you making all those calls – don’t you remember I told you that Debra Jeanne Palfrey wasn’t in business anymore?”)

  • Bush will never leave Iraq unless he is forced to. Anything else is just a con. He’s built an embassy the size of a city and several permanent bases. He will keep feeding the war profiteers our treasure for as long as he can get away with it.

    Yeah, he might withdraw a few troops (which is really why he surged…more profit longer) maybe as many as he surged but he will have to be forced to do even that. Meanwhile congress is thinking progress while Bush is thinking we made as much as we could for as long as he could and still have the pre-surge profits in place.
    Remember, Bush is the guy who bragged that he would make it next to impossible for the next president to leave Iraq.
    And that’s the distraction. Congress keeps thinking the situation will remain as it is. They don’t even consider what will happen if these idiots attack Iran. It’s not a question of if Bush has the authority to do that but whether if he has the power to do that. Every day I live in fear of my president…of what he might do next.

  • I promise I’ll pull out in time, bhaby. Oh oh oh allahu akbar ALLAHU AKBAR! Got a cigarette?

    I personally don’t give a damn how many Republicans come out against the war. Their opinion just isn’t important to me. It’s too corrupt.

  • When will the Administration wake up and smell the napalm? Mr. Bush has delivered failure on a few fronts all by himself:

    Iraq – a failed venture sprung from lies

    USA – stacking the deck toward a one-party Soviet style state

    Wire Tapping – shit on Americans’ Constitutional rights

    Economy – the middle class now only has enough money to drive back and forth from work and thinly stock the fridge for the month

    DoJ – banana republic justice made easy by Gonzo

    PlameGate – Hey Dick, let’s play treason while scoring political points

    Vote caging – only the wingnuts need vote, all others can stay home

    And so much more yet to discover. No wonder executive privilege seems like the best option for these thugs in the HW. I read someone before me cite the need for torches and pitchforks. Maybe Mr. Bush will act decently before any such ugly scene plays itself out here in my good ol’ America. And then again, maybe not! -Kevo

  • Frederick Kagan once again proves that if you want to know what the stupidest thing to do is, he has lots of ideas:

    “If we pull out, if we stop this operation now, we will hand Al-Qaeda a terrific victory,” said Frederick Kagan, a military historian at the American Enterprise Institute and an early advocate of the policy.

    “The Iraqi government, right now, is a terrific ally in the war on terror. There have been more Iraqis killed fighting Al-Qaeda than in any other nation of the world. The question is, are we going to stand by them?”

    Actually that is a good question. Are we going to stand by another murderous regime?

  • Iraqi Foreign Minister Hoshiyar Zebari, addressing the issue of American troop withdrawal said; “This could produce a civil war, partition of the country and a regional war. We might see the country collapse.”

    Apparently, all of these dire consequences are not enough to get the Iraqi regime to pass the legislation necessary to resolve some of that nation’s problems. Nor are they enough to get that regime to field an army or a police force whose members don’t owe more allegiance to their sects rather than to Iraq.

    The players there need American troops there to give them cover while they figure out how to grab all of the power.

  • I would just like to point out that last week there were rumors of a $100 price drop in the Playstation 3, and Sony responded to those rumors by denying they were true. And, of course, a few days later, it turned out the rumors were true.

    The point being, no one should believe what this regime says.

  • “There is no debate right now on withdrawing forces right now from Iraq,” Snow said.

    –> Isn’t that one of those statements that can later be interpreted any which way they want?

    no debate ‘right now’ to withdraw ‘right now’ from Iraq.

    Anybody in for guessing what he’ll say when confronted. That statement only applied to today, not tomorrow, or yesterday.

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