Would a Libby pardon be a good thing?

It took all of a couple of minutes after Scooter Libby was found guilty of perjury and obstruction of justice for attention to shift to the possibility of a presidential pardon. The assumption is that White House critics don’t want to see one, while White House allies are practically demanding one. That’s largely accurate, but is the logic backwards?

Shortly after the verdict was announced Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid said, “‘Lewis Libby has been convicted of perjury, but his trial revealed deeper truths about Vice President Cheney’s role in this sordid affair. Now President Bush must pledge not to pardon Libby for his criminal conduct.” It was a sentiment echoed by Dems everywhere.

On the other side of the aisle, conservative media outlets, such as the Wall Street Journal’s editorial page, insisted that a pardon was absolutely necessary. Now.

Mr. Bush will no doubt be advised to wait for the outcome of an appeal and the end of his Administration to pardon Mr. Libby. We believe he bears some personal responsibility for this conviction, especially for not policing the disputes and insubordination in his Administration that made this travesty possible. The time for a pardon is now.

Likewise, the New York Post editorialized, “Libby’s lawyers yesterday confidently predicted he’ll be vindicated on appeal. He shouldn’t have to wait. President Bush should make things right – by pardoning Libby. Sure, he’d take a lot of political heat for it. But Libby was in the dock because of politics – and turnabout is fair play. Free Scooter Libby.” The National Review and Fred Barnes said largely the same thing.

But I’m beginning to wonder if, perhaps, the two sides haven’t thought this all the way through.

Ezra, as he is wont to do, raised a very good point.

Even though sentencing won’t occur for awhile yet, attention is turning to Libby’s prospects for a presidential pardon once Bush leaves office. I doubt it. Bush has never been one to keep loyalty a two-way street. It’s long been his M.O to cut loose even the most faithful of servants after they outlive their usefulness. And Scooter Libby has definitely outlived his usefulness. To pardon him would refocus the blame onto the presidency, make it clear the administration felt indebted to an underling doing their bidding. That’s all true, of course, save for the indebted part. Libby was doing their bidding and now it is done. End of transaction.

I’d actually prefer a pardon — it would focus the historical attention on the Bush administration, leave his legacy stained from the outset, and come closer to harming the prime movers behind the Plame Affair — but I doubt Bush is willing to tarnish his own record to protect a pawn.

I hadn’t thought about it this way, but I found the point immediately compelling. White House critics have argued against a pardon because it would let Libby off the hook for his crimes. That remains true.

But there’d be an immediate upside — it would bring the scandal into the Oval Office. It would make it forever clear that Libby lied and obstructed justice in order to shield Bush and Cheney from their role in an even bigger crime. A pardon would just seal the deal in exposing the larger criminal enterprise.

Is there a way to bait the White House into granting a pardon?

Just a question. How does a pardon relate to the civil case? I think I read somewhere that if he is pardoned he loses his right to plead the fifth in the civil case. Is this right?

  • I’m not sure Scooter has “outlived his usefulness.” He’s got to keep his mouth shut or he risks even further harming Bush’s precious legacy, however much a joke we know it will be.

    Libby is still playing his role in this tragedy and he will until he is either pardoned or silenced by more nefarious means.

    Ultimately, a pardon while Bush is walking out the door will be less embarrassing than flapping lips.

  • You forget who you’re dealing with. Bush & Co. don’t give a rat’s behind about how a pardon would look on his presidency once he leaves office. Why should he care? They will rewrite history like they always do — he’ll say that Libby was a loyal and trustworthy public servant to the American people, he just has a really bad memory.

    It will also reinforce his delusion of supreme authority of the executive branch that Bush is so fond of.

  • Buchanan and others said of Libby that he was, “A man who served his country at the highest level, ”

    No, he didn’t serve his country. He served Cheney. If he was serving America he would have obeyed the rules of our democracy and not lied. The upside of him NOT being pardoned is that it would scare the shit out of a bunch of other obedient operatives.

  • I predict he gets pardoned _after_ the 2008 elections (a nice X-mas present for Scooter). At that point, W will be at 25 percent in the polls, Iraq will still be a mess, and Obama (or some other Dem) will be President-Elect. Figuring he can’t really hurt an already brutal legacy, Bush clears Libby to placate his base (represented by WSJ, National Review, Freddy the Beatle Barnes) one last time.

  • I agree with LG — queitly pardon Libby days before Bush leaves office. The media is already setting up Libby as a poor, unfortunate schlep who got a raw deal. Keep towing that line, by pardoning time, it would seem reasonable the poor guy get off.

  • And the wingnuts bring up Clinton’s “questionable” pardons in 3 … 2 … 1 …

    Other than that, I’m inclined to agree with CB and Ezra — a pardon by Bush (to use Cheney’s love of the passive voice) would further cement his legacy as one of the most corrupt, crony-loving American administrations since … well, ever.

    And the best way to encourage Bush to grant the pardon?

    Have a huge clamor that calls for Bush to not pardon Libby not on legal grounds, but on logical and rational grounds. Because we all know that if something is both logical and rational, Bush will do the opposite.

  • The nature of the White House criminal enterprise is clear to anyone who wants to see it. To mindless partisan outlets like the WSJ editorial page, the pardon power is a way to thwart the most important enemy (“liberals”), regardless of what this would do to the rule of law. Tribal authoritarians on the right will always support shredding the Constitution if they perceive it will help them politically.

    The most important utility of a pardon to the right, however, is that it helps maintain omerta. It’ll be harder to get the lower-down people to fall on their swords if they see that Libby was simply let to rot.

  • How would a pardon affect future testimony from Libby?
    If he were pardoned & supoenaed to testify in front of a court or Congress, could they complel him reveal more of the inner workings of Cheney’s cabal? Is this a strategy that could produce results?
    If he would not testify, could he be jailed for contempt?

    Sorry for all of the ???, but it seems like there could be a definite upside to a pardon if any of this were true.

  • Please write to your Congressman asking to:

    1) Call on Cheney to either explain his involvement in the CIA leak to the American people, or resign.

    2) Declare that if Cheney doesn’t, there will be hearings to explore grounds for impeaching Cheney.

    Now’s the time. If we don’t act now, we are complicit.

  • The other upside of a pardon for Libby is that the White House will no longer be able to use the “ongoing investigation” dodge whenever anyone raises questions about their conduct in the Plame case. They’re going to continue to refuse to discuss this for as long as the appeals continue, and it might keep working just well enough to keep the heat off.

    If they pardon Libby, they’ll have to start answering questions or come up with some other (even lamer) excuse to continue stonewalling. Maybe that would help get some traction for the start of impeachment hearings. I don’t think it’s likely that Bush or Cheney will actually be impeached, and a conviction is unlikely bordering on impossible, but congressional impeachment hearings and investigations are certainly justified, and they’d bring a lot of hidden crap into the open where it belongs.

  • The way to bait President Bush into pardoning Libby would be for all democrats and liberals to start saying confidently in ever media outlet that there is NO WAY that Bush would ever pardon Libby because we all know that he doesn’t return the same loyalty to those who serve him that he demands of them. If that became the dominant theme on the pardon issue, he would certainly pardon him if for no other reason than to show the democrats who’s the boss.

  • As much as I agree with you on most issues, I think your motives are pretty bad on this one. One of the biggest problems in politics today is that everything has turned into a zero-sum game between the two parties instead of an honest attempt to solve problems. We criticize the GOP for turning everything into a political maneuver and not focusing on policy – and now we’re suggesting the same thing. Libby deserves jail time for his actions. He should get it, whether or not it benefits the Democratic party. Obviously a pardon now would be better than a pardon out of the spotlight – it would call attention to the cronyism of the Bush administration – but we shouldn’t be calling for a pardon at all. Why can’t we take the high ground and call for the just outcome regardless of personal gain?

  • I’m not sure, but I’m not sure of the mechanics right now. Libby has been convicted. When that conviction is upheld, can it be used by the prosecutors as leverage to get Libby to testify against his superiors?

    If that is the case, than a pardon would remove that leverage that the prosecutors have, and make it harder to file an indictment against Cheney or Bush himself.

    On the one hand, it would make the Bush regime look worse in the public eye if they pardon Libby for doing their bidding, but on the other hand it would make it harder to find justice with the people who directed this criminal enterprise – namely Cheney. I’m still more inclined to lean toward the continued pursuit of justice rather than political damage.

  • A pardon would just seal the deal…? Woo…it would make them seem like liars and complicit forever…who cold stand such a thing? We already know Cheney/Bush were involved and Libby was the fall guy. These people don’t care what we think about them, or if it makes them look bad if Bush pardons Libby. The only thing that would give them any validity at all is to not pardon him but that wouldn’t change the opinion that he was still the fall guy.Hopefully the message will be this is what happens when you get caught breaking the law no matter who told you to do it.
    Real prison time is a good deterrent. And yes, more should have went to prison with Libby. Libby went along with this CRIME for Cheney and now he can also do Cheney’s time for him. Pardon’s should only come when one is cooperative…but Libby lets them get away with it. There must be consequences. He help ruin a person’s life and many others. He breached National Security with far reaching impact. I never want to lose sight of the seriousness of his CRIME. Yet Libby still acts as if he did nothing wrong, just like Cheney, just like Bush.

  • If Dick Cheney wants Libby pardoned, then Libby will be pardoned. Simple as that.

  • Definitely hope for a Libby pardon now … when it’ll do the most good for us by dragging the scandal back where it belongs, in the lap of the Bush Crime Family. He’s never gonna do time anyway. Legal delays will see him through to any post-election pardon (can’t have him writing any tell-all books in a fit of pique).

  • When that conviction is upheld, can it be used by the prosecutors as leverage to get Libby to testify against his superiors?

    The best leverage to be used against Libby at this point is at sentencing. If Libby flipped against Cheney, he could get a reduced sentence.

    The likelihood of his doing this is very low. Libby won’t get a terribly long sentence, and there’s a good possibility of a pardon. Further, if Libby does Cheney’s time for him, he can count on wingnut welfare on his release (assuming he isn’t sprung early by the chimp).

  • Right now a convicted Libby feeds the right’s victim and persecution complex. Libby is most useful if portrayed as a wronged and innocent man falsely convicted, just as the right wing blogs are screaming. A pardon just keeps this issue alive in the MSM and kicking for a while and keeps the spotlight on Cheney, who we all know hates to be in the open when he can’t control the media’s message. A pardon would carry a higher implication that Libby was in fact guilty than grinding out the appeals process and getting the pardon after the election in ’08.

  • I’m a little confused about the sentence. When the verdict was announced yesterday, the talking heads were saying Libby faced up to 25 years for the four counts on which he was convicted.

    Now, today, I’ve been hearing the jail time would be no longer than 1-3 years, served at a Club Fed.

    Does anyone here have any idea about the sentence?

  • From the Indianapolis Star:

    About to have lunch, President Bush paused at a television in the small dining room off the Oval Office to watch the verdict in the trial of former White House aide I. Lewis “Scooter” Libby. Disappointed at the result, Bush told aides he was sorry for Libby and his family.

    Vice President Dick Cheney said he, too, was disappointed and saddened for his former chief of staff.

    Without thinking of crocodiles answer me this: Do you normally say you’re “sorry for” someone you have the power and intention to rescue?

  • If you turn this thing inside out—and examine the potential catastrophe that’s waiting for the entire conservative movement if Scooter decides it’s in his best interests to provide volumes of corroboration in exchange for a reduced sentence—then the clamor from the Reich for a pardon makes sense. This thing holds the potential to go off like a nuclear bomb at a time when conservatives still have carte-blanche access to the nation’s treasury, the executive branch, administrative policies both foreign and domestic—and the ability to shut down any legislation in the Senate.

    In short—if Libby sings, conservatives lose the WH, the ability to filibuster the Senate, and the keys to the piggy-bank. They’ll also lose the only tool they have to prevent a wholesale reversal of the lopsided tax reform we’ve seen the past six years, and the one-way conveyor belt of “Conservative Program Oscillation” funding will shut right down.

    Think of it as the Neocon Ice Age….

  • I’m with Jesse.

    The high moral ground is accountability and justice. They have yet to be served, in fact the Liddy jury seems to believe that justice hasn’t been served, except in the immediate case.

    Someone needs to walk back the cat. Our hypothesis is that Liddy lied to cover up the fact that VP Cheney was willing to destroy a CIA operation focused on Iran’s weapons of mass destruction–a very real threat–in order to silence critics of his bogus assertions about Iraq’s weapons of mass destruction–no threat at all

    Well, we’ve got the first step back…would pardoning Liddy increase or decrease the likelihood that he’d dish on the the Veep?

    And is there a way to provide oversight for the Veep’s office? Josh Marshall had quite a time just getting a list of the employees.

    And impeachment? Isn’t the Veep the President of the Senate, which would try him?

    Yikes!

  • The pardon will come on a Friday evening, preferably while bombs are falling on Iran, and in the very best case, just a few hours after Birtny emerges from rehab…

    Major news outlets will take fleeting notice, belatedly, after being goaded by the blogs. The WaPo op-ed page will wonder why Dems are so hung up on the past when there are troops in harm’s way…

  • No way on pardons. You guys are just blowing smoke with respect to a pardon ‘bringing the scandal home to the Bush administration’.

    Look at what happened when Bush pardoned Iran-Contra people, including Caspar Weinberger: interest in the scandal evaporated, no one was brought to justice, and the people involved learned that the problem was that they hadn’t been covert enough. The Republicans were able to float along on a raft of lies until they were back on safeground. Cheney was able to issue his minority report saying that no one had ever demonstrated that anyone had done anything wrong. If we’d had a proper investigation, the Bush dynasty would have been stillborn, and Cheney would probably have lost too much credibility to be a vice president.

    Likewise with Nixon’s pardon: the fact that Ford pardoned him meant that we never did go through a trial and get all the facts on the record, so even today partisans can claim that Nixon “wasn’t really guilty”. of anything serious, and that no-one ever proved that he’d done all the things his enemies claimed..

    Another of the lessons that staffers learn when presidents habitually pardon their henchmen is that worst never comes to worst because your boss will bail you out.

  • Pardon or not, there is the stain of abuse of power on Bush that will be the hallmark of his presidency. The corruption of all aspects of our government to meet political ends can only be removed by his impeachment.

  • Still not thinking of crocodiles, are Busch&Chaingang ever on record expressing sorrow for a convicted felon and his family before? Seems highly out of character. Could this conceivably be interpreted as a hint of guilt?

  • I agree with Jesse. As embarrassing as a pardon would look in our eyes, ultimately it won’t make Bush look any worse than he already does to most people, and then NOBODY gets punished for breaking the law.

    A pardon ends the story. The blogs will raise hell. Olbermann will express his disgust. But everybody else will move on and in 20 years the record won’t be of lawbreakers and jail time, but of politics and pardons.

  • I don’t see a pardon happening at all. Libby was a loyal soldier protecting Cheney throughout all of this, and there’s no reason why they’d sacrifice themselves at all to help him. He’ll go down, spend time in a resort prison, and be well compensated once he’s out again. That’s how this works. And in fifteen or twenty years, he’ll be called in as a Republican elder to help George P. Bush’s administration with some PR problem or another (possibly to investigate the “intelligence failures” that led to our war with France). And the media will swoon from the gravitas.

  • Interesting.

    Even if he’s pardoned, Libby still will face questions in the Wilson’s civil trial, and if “worse” is found, the pardon will appear even more disturbing..

  • Libby should be held accountable and should not be pardoned as Jesse says. If the White House decides to grant a pardon it is a sad day for the USA. Period. Will he be pardoned? Perhaps, but it is not a good idea for our nation and we will have even more stolen from us.

    The one other thing I do know is that Libby is not the only one who is guilty, and if he is pardoned it is too bad for justice. If Libby is pardoned I don’t see how there is anything more that can be proven or how it is good for the people. Maybe we have to wait until Bush/Cheney are our of office and can no longer pardon themselves.

  • To his dying day, Jerry Ford beleived that when he pardoned Nixon, Nixon accepted his guilt. Ford carried around his copy of the pertinent paragraph in his wallet. I think it was Black’s. So, to Ford, a pardon was not exculpatory but rather proof of guilt. I remember people talking about this during Fords week of mourning newsiness. The MSM may not be good for much, but for filling in the trivia and arcania of public peoples lives.

    Yea, Chris Mathews is finally actually playing Hardball with Hate O’Beirne. And he’s quoting Black’s to her, and bringing up the same point as my post. Well good for him, this is the first time in a heckuva long time he’s actually showing any gumption.

    Hahaha in previewing this, I realized I made a typo, but dammit it fits for MsKate, so I’m leaving it!

  • Cheney will push for it anyway. Does an impeachment of a VP require the same level of evidence as required for Fitzgerald to have brought him in?

  • Libby has committed treason, nothing less. Although the trial was over obstruction of justice, we all know that the issue at hand is the leak of a CIA operative’s identity. Revealing that kind of information has enormously detrimental effects to America. Not only does it compromise any valuable intellingence that the operative was working on, but it demonstrates to other agents within our intelligence community that they cannot trust their own government.

    For the record, we all know that Cheney is at least partially responsible for this act of treason. However, it is of course unrealistic to expect him to be indicted for this or almost anything else. It may also be unrealistic to think that Scooter would be indicted for treason as well, but he certainly deserves it.

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