Yoo said it

We’ve long been aware of the 2003 “Yoo memo,” written by John Yoo, then a top official in the Justice Department’s Office of Legal Counsel, and the almost-laughably expansive views the memo takes on presidential authority. For that matter, we’ve also known that Yoo effectively argued that the administration could break the law on a whim, just so long as the president was using his authority as Commander-in-Chief.

But it’s one thing to know about the Yoo memo; it’s another to actually see it.

The Justice Department sent a legal memorandum to the Pentagon in 2003 asserting that federal laws prohibiting assault, maiming and other crimes did not apply to military interrogators who questioned al-Qaeda captives because the president’s ultimate authority as commander in chief overrode such statutes. […]

Nine months after it was issued, Justice Department officials told the Defense Department to stop relying on it. But its reasoning provided the legal foundation for the Defense Department’s use of aggressive interrogation practices at a crucial time, as captives poured into military jails from Afghanistan and U.S. forces prepared to invade Iraq.

Sent to the Pentagon’s general counsel on March 14, 2003, by John C. Yoo, then a deputy in the Justice Department’s Office of Legal Counsel, the memo provides an expansive argument for nearly unfettered presidential power in a time of war. It contends that numerous laws and treaties forbidding torture or cruel treatment should not apply to U.S. interrogations in foreign lands because of the president’s inherent wartime powers.

“If a government defendant were to harm an enemy combatant during an interrogation in a manner that might arguably violate a criminal prohibition, he would be doing so in order to prevent further attacks on the United States by the al Qaeda terrorist network,” Yoo wrote. “In that case, we believe that he could argue that the executive branch’s constitutional authority to protect the nation from attack justified his actions.”

Nixon once argued, “When the President does it, that means that it’s not illegal.” It’s since become something of a punchline, but the Yoo memo made the tenet official government policy — so long as administration officials were trying to defend the country, they need not concern themselves with the law.

Thomas J. Romig, who was then the Army’s judge advocate general, said yesterday after reading the memo that it appears to argue there are no rules in a time of war, a concept Romig found “downright offensive.”

Martin S. Lederman, a former lawyer with the Office of Legal Counsel who now teaches law at Georgetown University, said the Yoo memo helped create a legal environment that allowed prisoner abuses at Abu Ghraib.

“What else could have been the source of belief in Iraq that the gloves were off and all laws could be disregarded with impunity?” Lederman asked. “It created a world in which everyone on the ground believed the laws did not apply. It was a law-free zone.”

Now there’s a good phrase to help capture the Bush administration’s appreciation for the rule of law: “It was a law-free zone.” Emily Bazelon also noted:

What takes my breath away about the Yoo memos, now that we can finally read them, is their air of utter certainty. One after another, complex questions of constitutional law are dispatched as if there’s no cause for any debate. The president has all the war making power. Congress has none. The president’s commander-in-chief powers extend to interrogations (no matter how far in space and time from the battlefield they take place). Guantanamo Bay and enemy aliens enjoy no constitutional protections. … Congress cannot prohibit any sort of treatment that the president chooses to allow. No wonder Jack Goldsmith thought Yoo was reaching far beyond where he needed to go, not to mention what the state of the law would actually support.

Kevin added:

Basically, the president can authorize any action at all as commander-in-chief in wartime. Congress can’t bind him, treaties can’t bind him, and the courts can’t bind him. The scope of power the memos suggest is, almost literally, absolute. And since this is a war without end, the grant of power is also without end.

As we all know, this memo was eventually rescinded. So in a sense it’s moot. But Marty Lederman asks a good question: now that we know what was in the memo, what justification was there for classifying it in the first place? It wouldn’t have been moot in 2003, and there was nothing in it that compromised national security either then or now. The only thing it compromised was the president’s desire not to have to defend his own policies — policies that led directly to the abuses at Abu Ghraib, among others.

The memos themselves are available online — here’s Part 1, and here’s Part 2. Read ’em and weep — in this case, literally.

the Yoo memo made the tenet official government policy — so long as administration officials were trying to defend the country, they need not concern themselves with the law.

I hope the next Democratic President determines that defending the country depends upon stringing John Yoo up in Times Square and giving every American citizen a free chance to kick him squarely in the nuts.

  • Unfortunately, I expect scores, if not hundreds of blanket pardons to be handed out in the last days of this administration for all the loyal members of “the family”. Can anyone make me feel better and tell me that will NOT happen?

  • I’ve always assumed that Yoo was just the Yes Man who provided the cover for Cheney/Bush to do whatever they wanted. I didn’t think Yoo actually believed the mumbo jumbo he was shilling, but was just covering his buddies back.

    But I guess sometimes when people say crazy stuff, it may be because that person is in fact crazy. Maybe Yoo needs to have a special prosecuter assigned to look at his actions. Maybe then he can either fess up and implicate Cheney or fall on his sword.

  • If the next administration does not hold the Bush administration accountable for the laws it has broken, our republic is already lost. Of course, the politicians will see it differently. Putting the Bush criminals on trial would be perceived as politically unpopular (though I question the truth of that) and will never occur. Therefore, please kiss the American experiment in democracy and the rule of law goodbye. It’s over.

  • what justification was there for classifying it in the first place?

    And herein lies one of the most blatant patterns of the Bush administration. Not only do they feel they are the final determiners of what is legal and what is not, but they feel they have no obligation to tell anyone what their interpretation of the law is. We don’t torture, but we won’t tell you what torture means to us. We don’t spy on American citizens, but we won’t tell you what that means. We don’t violate the Records Retention Act or the Hatch Act, but we won’t tell you how we interpret those laws. And as long as we don’t define “war”, our powers are unlimited. All we have to do is say we don’t violate any laws.

  • I try not to be a vengeful person, but part of me would like nothing less than to see the doughy-faced, chickenhawk Yoo have his baby-soft hands tied behind his back in one of the “non-torture” stress positions he’s so fond of and left there for weeks. Maybe drop the temperature down to a “non-torture” 33 degrees and have some Celine Dion and Gwar pumped in at full volume. Then for a break, strip him and his frat buddy Rush and force them to go through a little “hazing.” Who’s got the camera?

  • 2. cintibud said: Unfortunately, I expect scores, if not hundreds of blanket pardons to be handed out in the last days of this administration for all the loyal members of “the family”. Can anyone make me feel better and tell me that will NOT happen?

    Assuming you are right, I would hope the next administration turns that pardon list over to the World Court immediately upon taking office with a note attached saying, “Here is the list of people that Bush and his advisers think committed war crimes on their watch, it’s a good place to start your investigations.”

  • This seems to be the ultimate Catch 22… The executive branch is immuned because they were just following the opinion of the Justice Dept. The Justice Dept is immuned because they are just offering an opinion. Sheesh, my head is spinning

  • The unreal thing about this is that the regime’s core defense of this (both torture and warrantless wiretapping) is that otherwise the job is just too difficult. Their justification for ignoring any law that gets in their way is their own incompetence.
    Yet somehow, in Outter Wingolia it’s logical to give the guy who is admittedly unequal to the task, unchecked, unlimited and unprecedented power. The organizing principle throughout this admin has been to find the dumbest guy in the room and hand him the most power and authority.
    Is it any wonder that Bush’s republican regime has been such an epic catastrophe?

  • John Yoo shocks the conscience. But then again, so does the fact that someone asked John Yoo to write that memo. What has happened to our country? I thought conservatives said that Bill Clinton’s lying would make us a country of people who think lying is okay. But what are they saying now about the band of rogues who advocate torture “in the right circumstances” and a president’s power that is unlimited “in the right circumstances”? This makes me nauseous. It’s time for somebody to go to trial. The moment they’re out of office, Bush and Cheney should be indicted for aiding and abetting war crimes.

  • John Yoo is not a legal scholar who believes in Executive powers – he is just another Federalist Society POLITICAL HACK…

    Need evidence? This is what he said about Bill Clinton:

    “President Clinton exercised the powers of the imperial presidency to the utmost in the area in which those powers are already at their height — in our dealings with foreign nations. Unfortunately, the record of the administration has not been a happy one, in light of its costs to the Constitution and the American legal system. On a series of different international relations matters, such as war, international institutions, and treaties, President Clinton has accelerated the disturbing trends in foreign policy that undermine notions of democratic accountability and respect for the rule of law.”

    Source: John C. Yoo, The Imperial President Abroad, in Roger Pilon, ed., The Rule of Law in the Wake of Clinton 159 (2000).

    So there you have it – just another idiot HACK.

  • the Bush Administration is the Manson Family with cleaner clothes.

    I’m stealing this.

  • What they deserve is one thing but … here’s a practical item, and it’s beyond Bush’s pardon power.

    Bill Clinton lost his law license for 5 years for whatever it was that he did. John Yoo (to take one example) is a law professor at the prestigious Boalt Hall School of Law, University of California, Berkeley, He holds one or more law licenses, and while Boalt Hall would not be required to fire him were he to lose them, it would be likely.

    Many, many of the worst offenders (David Addington? Gonzales?) are lawyers, and their soft landings depend on continuing to hold licenses to practice. It strikes me as ridiculous that licenses haven’t been challenged, but it will happen.

    There is considerable protection for actions taken while in office, but there are limits, particularly for a lawyer. The challenge to the license itself could be interesting, and curative.

  • Additionally, I find it appalling that the word of Yoo was essentially taken as bible for so long. He was essentially just acting as an attorney for the administration, nothing more. Attorneys make all sorts of crazy arguments all the time, called “opinions”– especially when you are paying them to say what you want to hear — that does not mean they are right. Judges, on the other hand make “rulings”. This administration was obviously far too evil/corrupt/incompetent/self-serving to really care if Yoo was right.

    Too bad the administration & congressional republicans have kneecapped and packed the courts, because normally I would have loved to see this go to the supremes (and I really wish courts could impeach).

  • Unfortunately, I expect scores, if not hundreds of blanket pardons to be handed out in the last days of this administration for all the loyal members of “the family”. Can anyone make me feel better and tell me that will NOT happen?

    I’ve been thinking about that myself. Doesn’t someone have to be found guilty of a crime for a pardon to be issued? Otherwise, wouldn’t every president have simply said on the way out the door, “Everyone, including myself, is pardoned, and that’s the end of it”?

  • Since the Bush crime family believes that legal rulings can be kept secret to protect themselves from us, who’s to say those illegal opinions have really been recinded? Sure they say they are, but how do we know, really? They could be there yet, hidden behind another layer of corrupted legal opinions, which state that to tell the public what’s the law really is would be a threat to national security.

    War crimes trials were made for this exact kind of situation. The Nazis had legal opinions backing up everything they did, and they were put on trial. I hope Dalloway is wrong in #4, but when I look at Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid I know he’s probably right.

  • 12.
    On April 2nd, 2008 at 9:29 am, just bill said:

    can bush pardon himself?

    Here’s how I see it going down:
    * 11:50 AM, Jan 20: Bush pardons everyone in his administration, plus Dick Cheney :), for all crimes real and imagined.
    * 11:55 AM, Jan 20: Bush resigns.
    * 11:57 AM, Jan 20: Cheney takes the oath of office.
    * 11:58 AM, Jan 20: Cheney pardons Bush for all crimes real and imagined.
    * 12 noon, Jan 20: Cheney walks out to the inauguration podium, announces the pardons, and tells the next President to “go f*ck yourself”

  • “I’ve been thinking about that myself. Doesn’t someone have to be found guilty of a crime for a pardon to be issued? Otherwise, wouldn’t every president have simply said on the way out the door, “Everyone, including myself, is pardoned, and that’s the end of it”

    Don’t forget, that’s what Ford did for Nixon, for crimes known and unknown. If maybe some of these f***ks had gone to jail then, maybe we wouldn’t have these problems today.

    It’s the same cabal, they learned at the foot of Nixon and company.

  • all of it overlooks the simpl fact that we are operating under an AUMF.. not hte broader blanket that a formal declaration of war by congress might bring ..

    the unlimited powers yoo ..and company are investing in the commander in chief might well be inherent in the constitution .. but not without there being a foreign invasion of our soil … and the republic at stake in the balance .. simply because we have troop engaged does not trip the trigger on these draconian powers to “preserve the union” … it’s a plunge into ignorance untrammeled by reason ..

    words like ludicrious .. preposterous .. and assinie come to mind .. and this legal idiot is a law professor today ?? imo .. he should be disbarred for blatantly shoddy work ..not teaching law at berkley

  • “… treaties can’t bind him….”

    Under what principle of Constitutional Law did Loo(ny) find that one? Last time I took a course in it (1958), treaties take precedence over acts of Congress, let alone presidential whims.

    Thanks for taking impeachment off the table, Nancy Pelosi. You’re really a flop, ya know?

  • […] its reasoning provided the legal foundation for the Defense Department’s use of aggressive interrogation practices […]

    It’s amazing how, the same bunch of folks who moan and bitch about excess of PC (can’t call anyone a “nappy ho”; what’s the world coming to?), get all mealy-mouthed and euphemistic when it comes to torture…

  • 14. On April 2nd, 2008 at 9:33 am, jimBOB said:
    the Bush Administration is the Manson Family with cleaner clothes.

    I’m stealing this.
    __________

    I’d be honored.

  • For a lawyer like John Yoo to dispatch with such ease law derived from Constitutional jusiprudence and international treaties, he’d better keep his eyes on his backside as his summary arguments seem as best illegal, and at worse, simply criminal. His sounds like an intellect that would contend we had to destroy the Constitution in order to save it. What a great and big ass he’s turned out to be! -Kevo

  • Of course, 2009 and following will be intersting years, as underlying details of the many abuses of the Bush administration in all departments of government are further dredged up. We only have the external view now, there’s a lot of internal documentation still hidden.

    On the Yoo memos, I don’t think the pushback from the military lawyers has all been published yet. Career military lawyers in the uniformed services knew that Yoo’s views were dangerous and completely contrary to American law. There was a lot of pushback, even though the Bushies were vicious in ending careers of anyone who crossed them.

  • No question, the idea that Yoo would sign his name to such a document is pretty reprehensible, but any focus on Yoo misses the point. He did what he was told. Who ordered it up? Was it written to cover laws already violated or violations planned? Was his job just to make sure that our military and political leaders didn’t land in jail for the torture that they ordered and encouraged?

    There are any number of men like Yoo, willing to do their bidding of their masters in exchange for the rewards of loyalty. The people in charge have to be thrown out , the history discovered, and the guilty held accountable. Of course, discrediting the political establishment of our country in such a way is almost unimaginable. Leaders of all political stripes had a hand in this mess and will not be anxious to have all of the details known. What did our leaders in Congress know and what did they do about it?

    Certainly, McCain will take every measure to prevent any airing of the unsavory acts of his Republican predecessor. Luckily for him, it will make the administration very anxious to support him. Luckily for us, few things could be less helpful for an American politician running on a national ticket in 2008 than the full-throated support of Bush and Cheney!

    We better all be ready to fight for our “accountability moment.” Even if a Democrat wins, accountability will not be a given.

  • I have long held the opinion that John Yoo is the personification of the phrase, “the banality of evil.” I do not let Yoo off the hook. He and his fellow travelers pose an enormous danger to our republic. Many commenters over at Balkinization (where Marty Lederman posts) are questioning whether his shoddy legal reasoning in the memo should be grounds for disbarment. I can only hope. But first I hope that “respectable” media outlets cease to give this man a platform for his views. He does not deserve affirmation.

  • Yoo better watch where he travels:

    It would be wrong to consider the prospect of legal jeopardy unlikely. I remember sitting in the House of Lords during the landmark Pinochet case, back in 1999—in which a prosecutor was seeking the extradition to Spain of the former Chilean head of state for torture and other international crimes—and being told by one of his key advisers that they had never expected the torture convention to lead to the former president of Chile’s loss of legal immunity. In my efforts to get to the heart of this story, and its possible consequences, I visited a judge and a prosecutor in a major European city, and guided them through all the materials pertaining to the Guantánamo case. The judge and prosecutor were particularly struck by the immunity from prosecution provided by the Military Commissions Act. “That is very stupid,” said the prosecutor, explaining that it would make it much easier for investigators outside the United States to argue that possible war crimes would never be addressed by the justice system in the home country—one of the trip wires enabling foreign courts to intervene. For some of those involved in the Guantánamo decisions, prudence may well dictate a more cautious approach to international travel. And for some the future may hold a tap on the shoulder.

    “It’s a matter of time,” the judge observed. “These things take time.” As I gathered my papers, he looked up and said, “And then something unexpected happens, when one of these lawyers travels to the wrong place.”

    http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2008/05/guantanamo200805?printable=true&currentPage=all

  • Thanks for the background info Racer X. Noting it, I thought of Donald Rumsfeld. Now, doesn’t he need to be careful where he travels? Isn’t he already named in a docut in some country? Inquiring minds want to know. -Kevo

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