‘You’re going to look super in a burka’

There was a fascinating peek into the mind of a radical on “Hardball” yesterday, when Chris Matthews asked Melanie Morgan — unhinged, even by contemporary far-right standards — to respond to how right Dick Cheney was about Iraq before he became Vice President. C&L has an excerpt, which is worth watching, if for no other reason because Morgan helped highlight a twisted worldview for a national television audience.

After Matthews asked Morgan to explain why 1994 Cheney was right while 2002 Cheney was wrong, Morgan refused to engage and suggested Iraq was somehow involved with 9/11. She also attacked Matthews for bringing up the subject.

Matthews then asked Naomi Wolf to weigh in.

Wolf: It gets back to what I was saying earlier about the nature of lying. Let’s not forget that they got us into this war on the basis of a series of lies…. This weaving out of lies was a pretext for an invasion that served their own political purposes. In the wake of the invasion, they were able to terrify the American people, subjugate the American people, drive through a series of laws that dismantled key checks and balances, allowed overreaching executive power, and completely eviscerated what the founders set in place, thus weakening America.

Morgan: Keep attacking, keep attacking Naomi, because you’re going to look great in a burka. You’re going to look super in a burka.

Perfect. Wolf makes a substantive point about American laws, institutions, and traditions, so Morgan insists Wolf’s criticism will lead to radical Muslims seizing control of the United States, forcing women into burkas. This, in effect, encapsulates the left-right foreign policy debate of the last eight months.

Following up on a post from the other day, this highlights an important point Glenn Greenwald explained.

Every now and then, it is worth noting that substantial portions of the right-wing political movement in the United States — the Pajamas Media/right-wing-blogosphere/Fox News/Michelle Malkin/Rush-Limbaugh-listener strain — actually believe that Islamists are going to take over the U.S. and impose sharia law on all of us. And then we will have to be Muslims and “our women” will be forced into burkas and there will be no more music or gay bars or churches or blogs. This is an actual fear that they have — not a theoretical fear but one that is pressing, urgent, at the forefront of their worldview.

And their key political beliefs — from Iraq to Iran to executive power and surveillance theories at home — are animated by the belief that all of this is going to happen. The Republican presidential primary is, for much of the “base,” a search for who will be the toughest and strongest in protecting us from the Islamic invasion — a term that is not figurative or symbolic, but literal: the formidable effort by Islamic radicals to invade the U.S. and take over our institutions and dismantle our government and force us to submit to Islamic rule or else be killed.

They actually think this is going to happen (“read Zawahiri’s speeches about the Plan for Caliphate!!”) and believe that we must do everything in our power — without limits — to stop it.

They seem entirely convinced that we’re this close to an invasion and the replacement of our constitutional system with a radical Muslim theocracy. If you disagree — about the nature of Islam, or the war in Iraq, or the president’s national security policies, etc. — then you necessarily are helping advance the Islamists’ drive for international hegemony.

It’s why these debates quickly veer away from substance. We can debate the national security implications of Bush’s approach to foreign policy, but that wouldn’t go well for the right. So the landscape shifts — instead of discussing the merits of administration policies, we should debate whether criticism of the president will contribute to the downfall of the United States and the imposition of sharia law.

Morgan probably didn’t intend to be so helpful, but she captured the pathology of this far-right worldview surprisingly well.

In the old movies when someone broke into this sort of hysterics the tough guy lead would reach over and smack the quivering bowl of jell-o in the face. The weakling would look startled for a minute. Then they’d shake their heads and say, “thanks, I needed that.”. Since nothing else seems to work with our own bed wetters, perhaps it’s time to try the old Hollywood solution. If nothing else it would make for good entertainment.

  • It’s hard watching such sick demented hate filled fear mongering liars without thinking they really should be in a padded cell. Mathews only has her on to get arguments going hoping they will crack on his show and start throwing chairs. Just pathetic.

  • Do they really believe this or is this all the same old fund-raising, “let’s scare people” tactics that give these people a reason for existence?

  • We have our own like this right here at TCR. This encapsulates Lihech to a “T”. So afraid of al qaeda. When the risk is so small. And all the machinations and gnashing of teeth by those like Morgan, this administration, Lihech, all it does is make al qaeda seem very much bigger than it really is, and gives them (the terrorists) a sense of importance, of respectability in a sick sort of way, that they otherwise would not have. We have made them much bigger than what they actually are by our ill-conceived actions post-9/11.

  • This is a direct transference of their old fear of communism. That too, was theologically based for the far right. They thought the commies were out to steal everyone’s bibles and outlaw religion.
    That was preposterous, but they could at least point toward the USSR’s military muscle to justify their fears. Their new boogieman, the Islamofacist, has little more than a beard and an explosive vest. How they believe this will somehow bring down our nation is beyond any measure of reason. A few seconds pondering the required logistics of such an ‘attack’ renders it laughable.

    I wonder how long they can maintain this fear without some physical evidence to support it. Unfortunately, there will always be some terrorist somewhere, willing to kill innocents, for any number of reasons. But they’re not all Muslim, and there just haven’t been that many credible threats on our soil.

    At the same time, the administration has severely overplayed their fear card. The Brooklyn Bridge, the Sears tower, the jet fuel all turned out to be hair brained schemes by socially maladjusted incompetents.

    I work with a very conservative republican who takes these threats very seriously when they’re announced. But after a couple days, he sees through it and returns to the real world. Sooner or later people come around and deal with their fear.

    I seriously doubt Morgan and her fellow screech monkeys really believe this crap. But they’re out of fear cards. All they have left to manipulate is raw hysteria. It will work with the most deranged of the far right, but I really wonder how long they can keep that fire stoked.

  • We are the greatest military power in the history of the world. We will fall under sharia law if we lose in Iraq. I constantly hear both of these comments from the crazies on the right.

    How can we so strong, and yet so weak to surrender to jihadists, at the same time? I just don’t get it!!

  • I’m rather surprised the transcript did not include this:

    MATTHEWS: I agree, Naomi, you would look great in a burka. But for now, I think you’d look better if you’d just get closer to the camera. Can you move a little closer to the camera for me?

  • Imho, many of those who claim to believe ‘the muslims are coming! the muslims are coming!’ are either lying or deceiving themselves in order to justify and promote their pursuit of fundo-fascism.

  • After Matthews asked Morgan to explain why 1994 Cheney was right while 2002 Cheney was wrong, Morgan refused to engage and suggested Iraq was somehow involved with 9/11. She also attacked Matthews for bringing up the subject.

    There’s Matthews’ piece of fig-leaf for the week (people who love to be led around by a fishhook can now feel resentful toward anyone who’s ever criticized him). I wonder what piece of wacky shit he’ll pull out of his ass next, to follow the Burnet thing.

  • When your position has no merit or relevancy pound the table and shout a lot. Amazing how many people are intimidated by such antics. Trial lawyers do it all the time.

    Dismissing a logical statement or argument with emotional irrelevancies and fear-laden symbols is the stock-in-trade of the right-wing nut cases, as it was in the past of far left-wing radicals, who speak in sound-bites and a lingo that has been reinforced over and over again by their punditocracy.

    A total blackout of TV for several months would do the country a lot of goo.

  • Well, Halloween is just a couple of months away. I captured the freeze-image of Morgan from the C&L site; I’m going to blow it up to lifesize and make a mask to wear when I’m handing out candy for trick-or-treat that night. That should give the kiddies a really good scare.

    As for the unhinged rhetoric, my only concern is in just how far will these whack-jobs go, once it finally sinks in that the majority of Americans are laughing at their “superiority?” And, we’re talking real laughter here; not the can-o-crap laughtracks that FraudNews borrowed from old episodes of the Beverly Hillbillies for that sickly little half-hour thing they just tossed….

  • When your position has no merit or relevancy pound the table and shout a lot. Amazing how many people are intimidated by such antics. Trial lawyers do it all the time.

    If a lawyer is going to make a point during a trial, ir had better have merit and be relevant. Otherwise, there’s a rule his or her opponent (if they’re minimally competent) can invoke to get the statement thrown out. And if it’s a lawyer saying something on his or her own, in an opening statement or a closing argument (rather than a question he or she is posing to a witness), it can really screw things up in a major way for a lawyer’s client if the lawyer says something he/she shouldn’t have said.

    We just don’t have a system of justice that allows crap like that to happen anymore. You have to be alone on a dark street at night with a screwed-up cop for that to happen, not in a courtroom in front of a bunch of people, two lawyers, and a judge.

  • The phrase “perception is everything” has been around for years – because there is
    more than a grain of truth in it. And because it has been and there is I can’t help but
    wonder why it is that the talking head Democrats always come across as milquetoasts
    while the Repuglicans never fail to tear up the set getting their message across.

    Like it or not Melanie Morgan looked and acted like she had all the correct answers and
    Miss “Nice” Naomi Wolf came across as though she felt she needed to raise her hand
    and wait to be called on. Ditto Alan Colmes to Shawn Hannity – watching them I get
    the feeling Colmes has his sneakers on and the door open just in case he has to flee
    for his life from one of Hannity’s tirades.

    Wouldn’t if be nice to see the Wolfs and Colmes’ tell their adversaries to STFU occasionally.
    Perhaps it’d help the Democrats begin to shed the weak kneed wimp image and give
    the undecided voter a clue that we might be as capable of defending the country as those
    damned loud mouth Repukes are.

    Just a thought!

  • Look, if you think America is strong enough to defend itself from a bunch of nutjobs living in caves, then clearly you hate your country.

    But if you think America can be destroyed by fringe lunatics with no army, no weapons and no real power, then you must be a true patriot.

    Only an idiot would think differently.

  • No 8 Zeitgeist, very funny.

    Hardball/Jerry Springer Show – I’m having difficulty distingiushing between them. Matthews, you claim you are a serious professisonal, for heavens sake, start being one!

    p.s. Morgan needs a super-burka, you wont see or hear her!

  • Jeez – what a crackpot. I often wonder if foam-flecked crazies like Melanie Morgan actually believe Islam wants to take over the world. If they don’t believe it, they have great acting skills. Maybe you could find something like that in the Koran, but such references should not be taken literally; there’s a lot of poking out people’s eyes and smiting in the Bible, for example. Try it, and then try substantiating it by saying “it’s in the Bible”, and see what modern law enforcement’s tolerance for religious smiting is.

    Completely secondary to Morgan’s hysterical twittering, what is it with talk show hosts and their rudeness, anyway? Why the hell does Matthews even bother to have guests on? He could just as easily line up some potato-head lookalikes, and then do all the talking himself. They’re all pretty much the same, they ask their guests a question, and then talk over their answer so they can be made to seem stammering and unsure of their position. I’d love to see somebody lean over and just smash Matthews in the mouth, and say, “WILL you SHUT UP when I’m talking??”

  • They thought the commies were out to steal everyone’s bibles and outlaw religion. — JoeW, @6

    And that’s not all! The commies were also gonna make all the public baths and toilets unisex and have all the men sharing their wives — you know, “communes”… Meantime, we in Poland were apalled to see the “flower children” in US set up… communes.

  • I can no longer sit back and allow Muslim infiltration, Muslim indoctrination, Muslim subversion and the international Muslim conspiracy to sap and impurify all of our precious bodily fluids!

  • Random thoughts on this Morgan silliness:

    – Listening to unreasonable rants by Morgan is neither enlightening nor entertaining. Melanie Morgan sounds like one of the urine-soaked mentally ill homeless people trying to scare random passersby in a subway station. A question to Chris Matthews and show producers, “by what authority or expertise has Melanie Morgan made it onto the airwaves?”

    – Morgan represents the faction in America that’s cheerleading for this nation to take a hyper-agressive, militaristic and death-filled crusade through the Middle East to keep America safe. By Melanie’s comments, I am deducing that were America itself attacked, she would lose that tough swagger and be a docile and compliant captive rather than fight for her way of life. By saying that America will fall victim to a small number of Middle Eastern Islamic extremists, Morgan is saying she and her ilk would be unwilling to take up arms and defend themselves. The US as “home of the brave?” Not with Melanie Morgan living here.

    – In the last 100 years, the only times nations of the size and even approaching the social development of the US suffered radical changes to the social and religious order it was not through being conquered by external enemies but through internal revolutions. Melanie has far more legitimate reason to fear of being forced to wear a James Dobson approved chastity belt before she should ever think burkas will ever be part of our national wardrobe.

  • Steve, you forgot to mention another gem from this madwoman. In her wnd.com column this week, she wrote that Jon Soltz, the guy who represents VoteVets.org, is a “hypocritical cockroach.” That’s bad enough, but then she ends the column with her feelings that he “has to be stomped on and neutralized.” Leaving aside the fact that if one is “stomped on,” that automatically means that one is “neutralized” (to say that one should be “stomped on and neutralized” implies that they are somehow separate things), I think she really crossed the line here. If I were to write in a public forumn (of which a internet column certainly is) that the president of united states (any president of the united states) should be “stomped on and neutralized,” I think that I would be receiving a visit from the Secret Service…and rightly so.

  • What truly troubles me about Morgan and her ilk is that they fail to see how the Bush administration is changing our country from a republic to a dictatorship, or, if you prefer, a kingdom. When one man or one branch of government is given power that goes unchecked, we no longer have a means of reining him in. When the Senate and the House were controlled by the Rs, they rubber stamped everything Bush sent their way. Now the Dems are taking their tablespoons and trying to empty the ocean of inappropriate actions this administration has heaped upon us. There has been a lot of criticisn of the Dems for not being more effective, but as far as I’m concerned, they can only do so much. It started the week after the new Congress was installed. Questions started surfacing about why the Dems hadn’t ended the war yet. How absured can you get! But what can you expect when the righties have nothing left to counter with, except “You’re going to look great in a burka.” Let the fear mongering continue.

  • I saw this debate on hardball. Morgan is completely unhinged and factually inaccurate. She just kept shouting over everyone else, not letting them actually make salient points. Additionally, Matthews gave her the most discussion time. He had a journalist and an articulate, smart woman in Wolf on the program but gave the most screen time to Morgan. But, this might also be because Matthews said, at one point during the discussion, that he agreed with Morgan.

    But, back to the comment. The comment literally made my jaw drop. Not only did I not know where she was coming from, I thought it was completely uncalled for. The sad part is that I know that people take Morgan seriously, hanging on every single one of her words. Just terrifying.

  • The right forgets just how divided the Islamic world is. Technologically and militarily, they are well behind us. And does the right think the American people would just set by and let Muslim extremists take over? Beside, Muslims are only what, three percent of the US population.

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