I watch debates, so you don’t have to

It’s hard to overstate how awful the Republican Party looks when watching its would-be presidential nominees discuss their ideas for 90 minutes on Fox News. At one point during last night’s debate in Orlando, Rudy Giuliani literally blew kisses to the state of the Florida in order to thank the state for helping steal the 2000 election. “You saved us in 2000,” Giuliani said. “That was a big one.”

Around the same time, Ron Paul mentioned “70- some percent of the people in America want the war over with. They’re sick and tired of it and they want our troops to come home.” The audience booed, though it was unclear if the Republican crowd was angry at the country for opposing the war, or angry with Paul for having the audacity to mention it.

The debate was filled with head-shaking moments like these. Duncan Hunter said Dems aren’t trustworthy on national security because of the Bay of Pigs in 1961. Fred Thompson made fun of Ted Kennedy’s weight. At one point, Romney said, “All of us here are Republicans…but it’s essential that the strength of the house Ronald Reagan built is going to lead us.” A few minutes later, he added, “All of us on the stage are Republican, but the question is, who will be able to build the house that Ronald Reagan built” — apparently unaware that he’d already said the exact same thing a couple of minutes earlier.

Watching the entire event, one is filled with more than just dread. One sits there thinking, “What is wrong with these people?”

Specifics aside, the striking thing about these debates is recognizing just how little seriousness there is to the entire Republican nominating process. There isn’t even a hint of substance, on any policy matter. Of the entire field, only Ron Paul would even try to articulate an idea that fell slightly outside the agreed-upon GOP talking points, and he was rewarded with robust boos.

This isn’t to say last night’s debate wasn’t newsworthy. The event may have been mind-numbing, but at least it featured a few fireworks.

Huckabee, fairly early on, seemed to be taking the 11th-commandment approach to intra-party warfare: “What I’m interested in is fighting for the American people, and I think they’re looking for a presidential candidate who’s not so interested in a demolition derby against the other people in his own party.”

But he was the only one. Fox News’ questioners wanted some antagonism, they baited the candidates, and we saw some of the most direct criticism of the campaign cycle.

The evening got off to a fiery start when Fred D. Thompson, the actor and former Tennessee senator who has been criticized for a slow and sometimes disengaged beginning to his campaign, questioned the conservative credentials of Rudolph W. Giuliani, the former New York mayor, who has led in national opinion polls.

“Mayor Giuliani believes in federal funding for abortion,” Mr. Thompson said. “He believes in sanctuary cities. He’s for gun control. He supported Mario Cuomo, a liberal Democrat, against a Republican who was running for governor, then opposed the governor’s tax cuts when he was there.”

Mr. Giuliani was prepared for Mr. Thompson’s criticism.

“You know, Fred has his problems, too,” he said, going on to criticize Mr. Thompson, a lawyer, as “the single biggest obstacle to tort reform in the United States Senate.”

Mitt Romney, the former Massachusetts governor who has renounced his past support of abortion rights and gay rights, questioned whether his rivals in the race are conservative enough.

“We’re not going to keep Hillary Clinton out of the White House by acting like Hillary Clinton,” Mr. Romney said.

That drew a sharp response for Senator John McCain of Arizona. “Governor Romney, you’ve been spending the last year trying to fool people about your record,” Mr. McCain said. “I don’t want you to start fooling them about mine.”

Mr. McCain also questioned whether Mr. Giuliani or Mr. Romney have the experience to be commander in chief. “I wasn’t a mayor for a short period of time,” he said. “I wasn’t a governor for a short period of time. For 20-some years, including leading the largest squadron in the United States Navy, I led. I didn’t manage for profit. I led for patriotism.”

It was a bit like watching a car race for the crashes — the only thing that made last night watchable was waiting to see who would hit their rivals the hardest.

I’m going to do a separate post on the subject, but the one issue that came up over and over again was Hillary Clinton, with whom the Republicans are apparently obsessed. By my count, the candidates mentioned the Democratic frontrunner by name 34 times, and mentioned President Bush twice.

As for who won, who knows? I didn’t see any real stand-out performances or anything impressive, though McCain clearly had the most memorable line of the evening:

“In case you missed it, a few days ago, Senator Clinton tried to spend $1 million on the Woodstock Concert Museum. Now, my friends, I wasn’t there. I’m sure it was a cultural and pharmaceutical event. I was tied up at the time.”

It was an obvious reference to McCain being a prisoner of war during the Vietnam war, and the audience gave him a standing ovation for having mentioned it. I don’t know if it’ll translate to any actual votes, but it was nice to see Republicans honoring someone’s military service.

So, what did you think? Was I the only one watching? What do you suppose the ratio was between people watching the debate, and people watching the Red Sox game?

Fred Thompson made fun of Ted Kennedy’s weight.

Freddie’s IQ surely trumps Teddy’s age?

  • “You saved us in 2000,” Giuliani said. “That was a big one.”

    Yeah, just think what would be possible today if it were not for Florida in 2000.

  • One item that I noticed was with Foecks News’ coverage of the debate. At one point an on-screen bio was displayed whilst each of the candidates spoke. I noticed that Ron Paul’s military service in the Air Force was omitted (intentionally, I imagine), yet John McCain’s military service was listed on his “bio.”

    Dr. Paul did have the opportunity to mention his honorable service to our country during the “debate.”

    It was of course enjoyable to see Sean “The Hitman” Hannity’s blood pressure rise when Ron Paul won the Foecks News text-message poll at the end of the debate. For a moment I thought he was about to throw a temper tantrum on the floor, like a little kid.

  • The person leading the pack is someone who is trying to change his positions on a number of issues to be more Republican.
    The #2 guy has changed his positions to be more Republican
    The #3 guy was called “stupid” by Richard Nixon and puts people to sleep
    The #4 guy wants to bring the troops home and actually have Congress declare war. A position that makes him popular with Democrats. Of course all of his ither positions are far right
    The #5 guy was the front runner but no one seems to like any more for a number of reasons.

    Then you are left with the man from Hope.

    Call me nuts, but I think the man from Hope is going to get the nomination. He is articulate, a good campaigner and fits the definition of a modern Republican to a T.

    He doesn’t believe in evolution and believes in tax cuts.

    Isn’t that the basic definition of the Republican Party today?

  • I also noticed that the Huckster harped on “Islam-O-Fascism” and that there are people in the world that want to “kill each and every one of us.”

    To listen to him, you’d think that there was a “theological war” going on.

    Did somebody say that this guy was reasonable?

  • Considering that the chances of a ‘publican win in 2008 are somewhere between slim and none, I’m amazed at the activity. The ONLY chance they might have would be with Ron Paul, and that would require a Star Trek alternate reality plot twist or an Obama 3rd party flame-out.

  • CB, shouldn’t that headline read – ‘I watch debates, because it’s so nice when I stop’ ?

  • I was enjoying the baseball game during the debate. Thanks for watching it, so I didn’t have to. What a dedicated guy!

  • Jack S @ 2

    Florida for Gore in 2000?
    The recent withdrawal from Afghanistan is following the successful formation of a religious, but tolerant, democracy in Kabul. It was easy since we didn’t have Iraq sapping our strength the whole time.

    The NATO help that President Gore accepted in 2001 helped make it a cake walk and the International presence failed to inflame bin Laden’s calls for holy war.

    Incidentally, bin Laden was put on trial for his crimes when he was captured by Pakistan under intense international pressure.

    The taxes are a bit higher. But that’s because Gore didn’t want to run deficits higher than 100 billion.
    Our economy is better than yours and has been the entire time (Greenspan has stayed on thus far). We’re in the midst of a modest bull market.
    Your housing bubble is FUNNY. We never got that because our regulatory bodies didn’t allow the sub prime split risk vehicles to develop while Bush’s did.

    On the down side, global warming is a little behind you because Gore, in order to get re-elected in 2004, is still studying the issue today and never made “Inconvenient Truth” because it would upset the Democratic donor base. Progressivism is still in dormancy here and the DLC is flying high despite having both houses still safely in Republican hands with healthy margins (veto-proof in the house.) Four southern states allow student led non-denominational prayer in school over the PA system. President Gore approved it in order to triangulate some swing voters a la the Defense of Marriage Act. (He won Tennessee in 2004) Oddly enough Hilary Clinton is the front runner here too leading Vice President Lieberman by 20%. Edwards is in a distant third place at 9%. Kucinich is pulling 3%. Progressives aren’t mobilized so no one is upset about this. I hadn’t heard of Obama until I dropped in. I think he’s still in the state assembly.

    Farewell, I hope you enjoyed the view of my alternative universe. It’s great over here, sorry I can’t take you with me, time-space continuum and all that.

    We have flying cars too.

  • I love the title of your piece. It points out exactly what is wrong with the way liberals think and act. Y’all want people to act and think exactly as you do – without questioning. Obviously it works on the poor and uneducated.

  • It’s so painful to watch these debates. The Republican movement is entirely based on hate now which is why they keep mentioning Hillary over and over and over again. These candidates know they can’t mobilize their movement with substance and real debate. The only thing keeping them going now is their hatred of liberals, and Hillary is the face of that now. It’s really a sad sight to see.

  • “I love the title of your piece. It points out exactly what is wrong with the way liberals think and act. Y’all want people to act and think exactly as you do – without questioning. Obviously it works on the poor and uneducated.”

    great batch of kool-aid you got there, huh david?

  • #10: “I love the title of your piece. It points out exactly what is wrong with the way liberals think and act. Y’all want people to act and think exactly as you do – without questioning.”

    ??????????? Obviously you fail to understand that most of us would rather have a root canal than watch the R candidates’ debate.

  • The only thing keeping them going now is their hatred of liberals, and Hillary is the face of that now.

    I continue to find that deeply ironic given that she is hardly the face of liberalism in the eyes of liberals themselves.

  • Gosh Me @13, I’d much rather have a root canal than watch the Republicans debate. Actually if we could all hook up to the laughing gas during one, we might even be able to stomach the hate and lies they spew. And there’s always the vicodin for afterwards to recover from the tooth canal.

    Seriously, I watched Katie Couric spout wingers talking points at Valerie Plame. Heck, I wanted to kick her in the shins. Valerie and Joe showed much greater restraint.

  • We now have an idiocracy not a democracy, and the Rethugs are certainly leading the way. Guiliani is so far beneath contempt to anyone who has studied him up close that he has bamboosled himself into some sort of national lead for the Rethug nomination speaks volumes about willful ignorance, and collective stupidity.

    Hopefully, the SNL skit that the Rethugs continually act out will turn lots of people away from them. There still is a reality based community somewhere who expect more than shallow posturing and sloganeering. More likely many voters will be turned off to the whole circus and not vote. The smaller the turnout, the more controllable it is. It’s part of the gameplan.

  • I watched the Bronocs and the top of the ninth of the Red Sox. I watched the debate later courtesy of the NY Times page. Fox should get out of the debate business as they have no clue on how to run one.

    Dr. Paul wins the text poll, won the debate, and schooled Sean Insanity afterwards. The others were just also-ran RINO Democrats.

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