The focus of the Republicans’ attention

To get a sense of just how obsessed Republican presidential candidates were with Hillary Clinton during last night’s debate, consider a quick numerical comparison — the GOP presidential hopefuls mentioned the Democratic frontrunner 34 times. They mentioned George W. Bush twice.

How one interprets this is a matter of perspective. If one is sympathetic to the Clinton campaign, it’s an easy spin — Republicans are desperate to tear her down because they fear her as a candidate. She’s beating them in the polls, she’s raising a ton of money, and the more people hear from her directly, the more they’re impressed. Clinton is exceeding expectations, and last night was a clear example of panic.

If one is less inclined to support the New York senator, the reverse spin is just as easy — no one unites and motivates Republicans better than Hillary Clinton. To nominate Clinton is to nominate the one person who will help the GOP put aside its differences and rally together in joint-hate.

Digby makes a case for the prior:

[S]he obviously scares the living hell out of Republicans, whose macho pretenders would rather band together, whimpering like a bunch frightened little boys in the dark, than take on each other. So they are preening for the easy applause from their Cro-Magnon audience. It’s a little bit pathetic.

While Michael Crowley argues the latter:

The Republicans did Barack Obama, John Edwards, and all the other non-Hillary Democrats a big favor tonight. The candidates mocked and derided Hillary constantly, and the crowd joyously whooped and cheered them on. Some of it was absolutely cheap, as when Mike Huckabee said that Clinton’s election would destroy the morale of the U.S. military…. But it’s hard to watch that spectacle and feel that Hillary doesn’t have a unique visceral effect on Republican voters likely to galvanize them in an general election. Which is exactly what Hillary’s primary rivals want you to believe.

I’m a bit of an agnostic on the question, though I will say that the Republicans’ attacks last night went beyond mere criticism, and ventured close to hysterics.

This debate makes it official: It’s open season on Hillary Clinton. […]

They started out by weaving Mrs. Clinton into virtually every answer. Then the Fox moderators started mentioning her in their questions. Then they devoted an entire segment to her, allowing each candidate to bash her fully and directly, with Mr. Romney getting the ball rolling by asking the audience: “Anyone here want to vote for Hillary?” A resounding “No!” rolled back across the stage.

Shortly before asking, Romney played fast and lose with good taste.

“Hillary Clinton wants to run the largest enterprise in the world, the government of the United States. It employs millions of people, trillions of dollars in revenue.

“She hasn’t run a corner store. She hasn’t run a state. She hasn’t run a city. She has never run anything. And the idea that she could learn to be president, you know, as an internship just doesn’t make any sense.”

“Internship”? C’mon, have at least a little class.

One thing was telling, though. Fox News’ Chris Wallace confronted several of the top candidates with recent poll numbers, and each trailed Clinton in hypothetical head-to-head match-ups. Not one of those asked — Romney, Giuliani, McCain — could explain why Clinton is beating them, and what they’d do to win. Hmm.

I can’t imagine watching yet another Republican episode of “American Demagogue;” reading about it is painful enough.

My question is, after all this bickering about who is the right kind of conservative, who is closer to God, who knows all the war cheers, and who hates Hillary the most, what does the Republican platform look like when that dust settles? And other than the people who would vote for bin Laden if he was registered as a Republican, and wouldn’t vote for Hillary if God himself instructed them to, where are the GOP candidate’s votes going to come from? This emphasis on social issues is not, I don’t think, going to capture as many votes ad they seem to think it will. Should Hillary be the Democratic nominee, I think those who are Hillary-haters, and who aren’t already part of the GOP base, are more likely to just stay home than go vote for one of these clowns.

I just have a sense that the things they are fighting over among themselves are going to see them end up with a platform that very few Republicans will embrace with any enthusiasm.

  • Not one of those asked — Romney, Giuliani, McCain — could explain why Clinton is beating them, and what they’d do to win. Hmm.

    That’s because the only thing they know how to do is pound their chests and make neadrethal grunts about how that uppity woman doesn’t know her place and should be in the kitchen where she belongs. They can insult her intelligence for now, when she is not on the stage, but she – Yale Law, 2-time Am Law Top 100 Lawyers – is considerably brighter than most and perhaps all of them.

    But the biggest strategic problem for the Rethugs with the increasingly shrill Hillary bashing can be explained to them by Mr. Lazio who discovered that when you look all over-macho in beating on a woman you greatly increase her support among women – including non-Democratic women.

  • Not one of those asked — Romney, Giuliani, McCain — could explain why Clinton is beating them, and what they’d do to win.

    That should have been easy: it’s all the America-hating Americans out there.

  • I noticed that Hillary won the Democratic nomination last night, according to the NeoCon frontmen.

    Too bad Hillary wasn’t in favor of ending the occupation like Ron Paul is. Maybe I’d vote for her, despite her AUMF in Iraq/n, Patriot Acts, and REAL ID votes.

    If you know what you knew then… ….or, how does it go?

  • The Reskunklican gaggle needs to put the spotlight on Clinton, because to put the spotlight on Bush is to put the spotlight on themselves. None of them will change the core gameplan of the Bush administration—and given the bizarro-fringe lanks that Paul has wrapped around his head, it’s probably safe to say that the “GOP Peace Candidate” is blowing smoke up everyone’s backside with his “end-the-war” manifesto. It’s his “stunt” to try and edge past what has become mainstream neoconservativism, and the pathetic showing at the value-voters “thing-a-ma-jiggy” shows that—at least among social conservatives—Paul cannot make the cut. Conservatives may, indeed, be mad hatters, but they’re not going to go gah-gah over a shrill little howler monkey the likes of RP.

    It’s also pretty much a foregone conclusion that the resounding “no” received by Mitt the Twit came from a stacked audience; the common tactic of the neoconservative these days. If you’re not “the right kind of conservative,” you don’t get in the door. The audience wasn’t selected to be—as the Rupertburghers like to quip—“fair and balanced;” they were “invited,” instead, to begin the annointing process for the Foxchurian Candidate.

    That candidate, barring a sudden attack of Truth that will be plied by the batsh*t brigade as “a Dem dirty trick,” will be either Romney or Huckabee. None of the others will garner the prerequisite support, and the hot-air balloon that is Ghouliani will hit a chill wind in another month or two, when the Party Apparatus finally gets it through their thick little noggins that RooDee will cost them the Oval Office. The GOP cannot win without their spear-slinging, knuckledragging ‘Vangees out on front. Romney, one might think, would be the easier of the two to take down. He cannot raise money, so he injects millions from his own fortune. He was a “copycat Dem” (doing pretty much everything that a Dem would do) before he wanted to become president. So Romney can be peddled as someone who’s trying to buy his way into the Presidency, and as someone who was a bright-n-shiny closet Dem before he realized that he had to play to a different audience.

    Hillary’s not my choice for the job—I’m a Kucinich maniac from way, way back—but she’s the same Hillary as she was several years ago. We cannot say the same thing about Mitt the Twit—and the social conservatives’ “slow coalescence” around Romney may be a strong indication that they are vetting his candidacy before rallying to it….

  • Hillary is actually their preferred opponent for several reasons. First and foremost, she voted wrong on the war, so she can’t bring that up without an instant backfire. The defenses she will offer will not work, they will make her look either politically craven or stupid. Until she does a believable mea culpa for her vote the issue is almost as bad for her as it is for them. And the Iraq war is the issue of 2008. Everything else is secondary.

    Add to this the fact that the true progressives do not care for her on the war and other issues, so their votes aren’t assured. Add to that the years of Hillary-pillory that have gone on within the wingnutosphere, and you have the opponent they really want to run against.

    She’s not a bad person IMO, but she is the weakest of our leaders, and that’s why the MSM is so ready to crown her the Dem leader. They want a horserace.

  • And is it just me, or does the newsmax ad on the left make my point about Hillary being the one they love to hate? Look at that picture. It says “I’m a mean bitch and I’m going to tax your ass and give the money to the illegal aliens”.

    Do we really think they’re spending all that money to find out who we’ll vote for, or are they doing it to put her mug out there in the least flattering way possible so we’ll be turned off by her?

    Hmm.

  • I think Digby and Crowley are both right. Their arguments are not mutually exclusive. The Republican contenders are scared shitless of Hillary as an opponent due to her tremendous intellect and political discipline. Each and every one of them know that she’d eat any one of them fucking alive in any debate.

    AND they have a visceral hatred of her because at heart they’re just a bunch of misogynists who hate everything they imagine she represents.

  • I tend to think that any Democrat with a clear lead in the primary races is going to be attacked by Republicans. Kind of comes with the territory. Attacking Democrats is what Republicans do. And frankly what else have they got to talk about, now that Rudy has ruined 9/11 for them (to the point that the Giuliani’s own campaign even started returning contribution in $9.11 and $911 denominations recently).

  • Racerx, I know I have told callers from Team Clinton my thoughts on Kyl-Lieberman, and I suspect she must be catching all kinds of hell about it because Saturday I received a mailing – 11 x 17 folded, full color – solely on one issue: Kyl-Lieberman, complete with supportive statements from (and photos of) Gen. Wesley Clark and Sen. Dick Durbin. If she is dropping that kind of cash to shore up the damage from a single vote, hopefully she is starting to get the message.

  • I watched one of the Republican debates. Aside from the usual boilerplate; terrorism, sanctity of life, marriage, Hillary sucks, 9/11. cut more taxes, the free market is the answer to health care, win in Iraq, etc, not one of the candidates had any actual plans and no new initiatives. No one even mentioned increasing the size of the military in the interest of prevailing in Iraq.

    Apparently, things are going so well that nothing needs to be fixed. This was a bit strange because none of them would mention the name “Bush” even though he is seemingly the author of this benign state of affairs.

    Either the fix is in or the Republicans are content to let a Democratic president reap what Bush has sown.

  • Re: Steve @ #6

    …given the bizarro-fringe lanks that Paul has wrapped around his head, it’s probably safe to say that the “GOP Peace Candidate” is blowing smoke up everyone’s backside with his “end-the-war” manifesto. It’s his “stunt” to try and edge past what has become mainstream neoconservativism…

    I’m afraid that you’re unfortunately mistaken when you insinuate that Ron Paul’s position on the U.S. Military Occupation of Iraq is a “stunt.”

    Ron Paul has been writing, speaking, and legislating in favor of a non-interventionist foreign policy since 1976.

  • Hillary’s nomination will confirm the corporate takeover of this country.

    Political parties used to look for voters. The Republicans could count on corporate money and hatred/bigotry for their votes. The Democrats used to appeal to the rest of us to vote our non-corporate, non-hateful interests. But ever since corporate-owned TeeVee became the sole channel for news/politics, money for air time has increasingly mattered, and mega-corporations have obscene amounts of that to squander on nearly every side of every contest.

    Voters like me no longer matter. My rapidly fading lifelong infatuation with politics is as out-of-date as Huntley and Brinkley reporting on the national conventions.

  • I really think there’s a third, practical option: they are convinced Hillary is going to be the Democratic candidate, that nothing will stop her, and it’s time to send out the attack dogs.

  • I really think there’s a third, practical option: they are convinced Hillary is going to be the Democratic candidate, that nothing will stop her, and it’s time to send out the attack dogs

    I think so too. If Edwards were as far ahead as Clinton is now, they would be attacking him, using the trial-lawyer and swishy-haircut stuff. If Obama were way ahead we’d be hearing about his middle name and his K-12 madrassa education. Demonizing the Dem candidate will be 90% of the general election strategy, so they may as well start now.

    If there’s a special anti-Clinton animus in the GOP, it’s because the Clintons beat them twice, not for any other reason. For those worried that Hillary is a polarizing figure, you should know that this is a feature not a bug. In modern smashmouth politics, you want to not just prevail, but also you want to wipe you enemies’ noses in their defeat. Beating them with Hillary does just that.

  • ***Ron Paul has been writing, speaking, and legislating in favor of a non-interventionist foreign policy since 1976.***

    How odd—right about the time that the “Scoop” Jackson tribe anti-Carter) and the Barry Goldwater tribe (anti-Ford) got together and decided that they were really one great big tribe. He’s been wrapping that plank around his head for some time, hasn’t he?

    Big on border security. Big on domestic intelligence gathering. Big on treating all foreigners and immigrants as “second-class humans.” Big on rebuilding the American Industrial Machine, regardless of cost to Americans and the economy. Let’s use the correct terminology. Ron Paul isn’t “anti-interventionist;” he’s “isolationist.” Big difference there….

  • Re: Steve @ #17

    Big on border security. Big on domestic intelligence gathering. Big on treating all foreigners and immigrants as “second-class humans.” Big on rebuilding the American Industrial Machine, regardless of cost to Americans and the economy. Let’s use the correct terminology. Ron Paul isn’t “anti-interventionist;” he’s “isolationist.” Big difference there….

    That must be why Ron Paul voted against the Patriot Act, The Military Commissions Act of 2006, the Defense Authorization Act of 2007, and the Protect America Act, because he wants to increase surveillance and fuel the Military Industrial Complex.

    And here I thought that I was a “conspiracy theorist.”

    By the way, personally, I’d rather be called an “isolationist” than an imperialist or a corporatist.

  • Let me start with the fact that I am not a Hillary fan, but it is not hard to see why she scares the hell out of the Republicans.

    She was closely associated with an administration that most Americans now look back to with longing, after seven years of the incompetence of Bush.

    For those afraid of voting for a woman, Hillary is easy to deal with by thinking of who her chief advisor will be – someone most of the people who might vote for her and still be afraid of the result see as being a far better president than Bush will ever be.

    Thus, Hillary is a “known quantity” and voting for her is a far less radical act than would be voting for any other woman for President.

    For the Republicans, she’s a known quantity who took the worst hits of the “vast right wing conspiracy” and came up a winner, moving from the White House to the Senate. Whether I like her or not – and my disagreements with her are over policy and I had the same disagreements with her husband – she has more competence in her little toe of her right foot than the entire Republican Party, combined.

    Enough of the country is finally sick and tired of the right wing to the point where they are not going to win no matter what they do. In their heart of hears, they know it’s back to being chased home from school and being beaten up in the alley days again.

  • I just wish the Clintons would go away. I dislike their arrogance and triangulation, and I detest their imperial, indeed Bush-like, tendencies. Perhaps most of all, I hate the fact that insomuch as far, far worse people (e.g. all the Republican presidential dimwits and their Fux cheerleaders) attack them, I find myself somewhat compelled to defend them.

    I commend this article to anyone considering voting for Lady Triangula. The gist of it is that in her embrace of both the premises that led to Iraq and her appetite for unfettered executive power, she might as well be Bush, albeit (as Tom says) a far smarter and more competent version.

    But then, I’m increasingly convinced that our democracy is dead anyway, much for the reasons Ed set out above.

  • Dajafi, I’m not sure I see the “imperial” part of it (although I see more in HRC than in Bill). Indeed, one of the things I thought was so welcome in Bill Clinton over Bush 41 was the change from an “imperial presidency” to a much more human one. Bush seemed to believe the White Hosue was his birthright. He seemed surprised by a supermarket scanner and the price of milk, he was a Kennebunkport aristocrat who had no idea — nor the slightest care — how the “little people” lived. He was above that riff raff. And one consequence of that attitude was that Bush (a) felt he was above the law and (b) didn’t need to explain himself or even had a good reason – he said so, he was among the elite, ergo his word was law.

    Bill Clinton may be as opposite of that as any President we’ve had – scupulously wonky, touchy-feely literally to a fault, worked (and still works) rope lines for hours – he digs the people, he digs the crowds, he has empathy and can therefore reflect concern (this also makes him the anti-Fred Thompson, he who notoriously hates campaigning.) Not only did he not seem to think it was his entitlement, he often seemed surprised to really be there. He may have actually been an overcorrection in some ways, but it was such a welcome change from 41 that I am not about to complain.

  • Zeitgeist, I undersatnd what you’re saying and I respect you, and it always bothered me that Bush 41 had no real reason to be president other than the sense that his WASP heritage and previous career entitled him to it. But we’re talking about two different things here. You are responding to the human element; I’m looking at the institutional level.

    I could care less if Hillary Clinton “feels my pain.” I care very much, however, if she embraces the theory of the unitary executive, believes that her administration can shrug off subpoenas, can seal records, claims executive privilege for every conversation she has (including those of questionable legality or ethics), etc.

    And I think she does, most or all of the above. I believe she feels just as entitled to The Throne as Bush 41, and for some of the same, or similar reasons… but more to the point, I think she’ll sit in the Throne much as Bush 43 has. We might–or might not–like what she does in power a little better, and I have no doubt she’ll be more competent about it. (Then again, so would Romney, in all likelihood. Competence should be a minimum standard for what is essentially a managerial job with a big PR component.) But if you believe, as I do, that our constitutional democracy is on the verge of becoming a dead letter, her evident embrace of the Bush/Cheney concept of presidential power is very worrisome.

  • Paul wants to bring the army home and use it to seal up the borders. That would require changing the law and an expenditure of untold billions of dollars—both things that Paul votes against on a constant basis.

    Paul wants to establish an internal security apparatus to maintain constant vigil in immigrants and visa-holders—and anyone they come in contact with inside those borders.

    Paul promotes the creation of a national economic engine that can only be defined as “anarcho-capitalism.” I’m not willing to turn the economy over to the profiteer class; we’ve seen their handiwork in Iraq already. We saw their handiwork in the mad rush to econimize NASA that led to the loss of not just one orbiter—but TWO. We saw their expertise in levee maintenance for four years—and then came a lady by the name of Katrina.

    Paul wants us to return to the gold standard—but fails to acknowledge that placing a nation’s currency on the gold standard would require that nation to regulate its own gold reserves in order to maintain the steadfastness of that currency—but Paul wants to eliminate the Federal Reserve and the Treasury.

    Paul wants to curb imports as a means toward the end—being the reconstruction of America’s industrial base. That day is lo-ooong gone now; to attempt such a thing today would be the equivalent of teaching a child about healthy food choices—by starving that child. Corporations are angry enough at the Government for requiring reinvestment as a prerequisite to tax breaks. I do not see an anarcho-capitalist regime in this country willing to invest its fortunes to rebuild America’s industrial base. when the alternative is to continue raking it the obscene profits of Asian Rim labor. Contemplate, for a moment or three, how much it would cost to rebuild the American shoe industry. Then, the American textile industry. Followed by the American steel, tire, and electronics industries. Let’s not forget about the American toy industry. Paper. Ink. Plastics. Glass. Ceramics. Fuels. Transportation. Food.

    Yep—food, JKap. I walked into a grocery store; picked up a can of peaches. National brand, too. Printed on the bottom of that can of peaches, in nice, blue letters, was the word “Thailand.” Same thing with the pears, the pineapple, and the fruit cocktail. We used to grow all of that stuff here—until the “national brand” realized that labor and materials were so much cheaper in Thailand. The American farms that supplied those American canning plants don’t exist any more; They’ve been ripped out and replaced with tract housing—and it takes about fifteen years to start a peach orchard from scratch—from planting young trees to full-production harvests.

    But your precious Dr. No can solve all that with a wave of his magic wand—we just have to believe.

    Americas isn’t the Land of OZ—and that magic wands looks a lot like a really long rectal thermometer….

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