Colbert v. Coulter — spot the loony

New York magazine has a great feature story in its new issue on Stephen [tag]Colbert[/tag] and his bombastic, over-the-top, O’Reilly-like on-air character. New York’s Adam Sternbergh raised an interesting point I hadn’t seen explored much elsewhere:

Colbert’s on-air personality…leads to a peculiar comedic alchemy on the show. During one taping I attended, Colbert did a bit about eating disorders that ended with his addressing the camera and saying flatly, “Girls, if we can’t see your ribs, you’re ugly.” The audience laughed. I laughed. The line was obviously, purposefully outrageous. But it was weird to think that this no-doubt self-identified progressive-liberal crowd was howling at a line that, if it had been delivered verbatim by Ann [tag]Coulter[/tag] on Today, would have them sputtering with rage.

True. Colbert’s absurd right-wing rhetoric is funny because it’s a parody. We laugh, of course, because he’s mocking the Coulters and Savages of the world by highlighting just how ridiculous their comments are.

That said, Sternbergh thought it’d be fun to include a list of statements, all of which came from Stephen Colbert or Ann Coulter. Give it a shot:

1. “Even Islamic terrorists don’t hate America like liberals do. They don’t have the energy. If they had that much energy, they’d have indoor plumbing by now.”

2. “There’s nothing wrong with being gay. I have plenty of friends who are going to hell.”

3. “I just think Rosa Parks was overrated. Last time I checked, she got famous for breaking the law.”

4. “Being nice to people is, in fact, one of the incidental tenets of Christianity, as opposed to other religions whose tenets are more along the lines of ‘Kill everyone who doesn’t smell bad and answer to the name Muhammad.’ ”

5. “I believe that everyone has the right to their own religion, be you Hindu, Muslim, or Jewish. I believe there are infinite paths to accepting Jesus Christ as your personal savior.”

6. “[North Korea] is a major threat. I just think it would be fun to nuke them and have it be a warning to the rest of the world.”

7. “Isn’t an agnostic just an atheist without balls?”

Answers below.

1. Coulter

2. Colbert

3. Colbert

4. Coulter

5. Colbert

6. Coulter

7. Colbert

Just to be clear, Sternbergh wasn’t equating Coulter with Colbert.

Coulter is a shrill, abusive demagogue and Colbert just plays one on TV. But with Coulter, there’s always been a sturdy suspicion that she is playing a character (like Colbert) and amping up the obnoxious rhetoric for maximum effect (like Colbert). When I mention the comparison to Colbert, though, he seems surprised, even unnerved. “I don’t really think about her much,” he says. “She’s a self-generating bogeyman. She’s like someone who wants attention for having been bad.” Given that he’s hosted right-wing true believers like Joe Scarborough before, and has often said he’d love to have Bill O’Reilly on the show, would he ever invite Coulter as a guest? “My sense is that she’s playing a character,” he says. “I don’t need another character. There’s one character on my show, and that’s me.”

For what it’s worth, I got six out of seven. How about you?

“…it was weird to think that this no-doubt self-identified progressive-liberal crowd was howling at a line that…”

It’s not weird at all, for anyone who understands how satire works.

  • “[Colbert] has often said he’d love to have Bill O’Reilly on the show”

    I’m pretty sure that first show had O’Reilly ????

    Coulter is painfully idiotic. If it is a game, than she really does have little regard for the American conservative. About at the level Rove reputedly has for Falwell, Dobson, Robertson et al.

    To suggest, if you don’t really believe it, that liberals hate America more than al Qaeda terrorists, is the kind of sin that gets you a burning pit in Hell.

    Than again, to believe that liberals hate America is the kind of sin that gest you a burning pit in Hell and a personal demon to torment you through eternity.

  • I got ’em all … nobody does Coulter like Coulter. Even if it turned out that you secretly pulled a switcheroo and wrongly identified them all, it’s still essential Coulter. Colbert tries to do O’Reilly, and he succeeds, but there’s always just a hint of humor buried underneath; there’s no hint of anything un-turdlike in Coulter. I’ll never understand why people find her thoughts, and her shrieking expression of them, entertaining — the only criterion employed in TeeVee news or commentary these days — but then I don’t appreciate much that appears on TeeVee these days.

  • The difference between Colbert and Coulter is that there is an underlying meanness to Coulter’s words. There’s no nod and wink, no twinkle in her eye. She’s like the big kid at the bus stop before school who would shove you too hard, knock you to the ground and make you cry. Then he’d say “I’m just playin’, ya baby.”

    Another thing is that right-wingers don’t really have a well-developed sense of irony, so the idea of a Coulter-like character as a joke doesn’t really fly. Laughing at the weak, that’s more like the kind of humor of come to expect from that crowd.

  • I read the article yesterday, and was amused that Colbert thinks Coulter is “playing a character”, while he obviously thinks O’Reilly is genuine (and hence worthy of making fun of and having him on his show).

    I think he’s wrong on Coulter. What do you all think?

  • I got seven of seven. Colbert’s read stupid and offensive yet they’re also, somehow, benign. Coulter’s quotes read nasty. Even Carlos Mencia, who makes his money insulting everyone is hilarious,in part because he’s willing to make fun of himself.
    Part of M’Ann’s evil stems from the fact she takes herself seriously, which is why I don’t think she’s acting. If she is faking she should get an Emmy for the Character Most Likely to be Kicked off A High-Rise.

  • OT, but Carlos Mencia only makes fun of the ‘himself’ he created. He’s half German and half Guatamalan and his real name is Ned. He pretends to be something he’s not and then pokes fun at that, usually by stealing other comedian’s material. /end rant

  • Yam nailed it (No. 4). Has there ever been a funny (intentionally, I mean) right winger? Their “humor” always seems tinged with meanness and cruelty; that’s why it was easy to spot the Coulterisms — except for the one about Rosa Parks, which I thought sounded insane enough to have come from her.

  • Things are so nuts in this world, I’m for laughing at all of the wingnuts, be they W, Coulter, Dobson, O’Reilly, etc. After they make their idiotic pronouncements, just say – Oh, you’re kidding, right? And start laughing hysterically. Maybe the only way to keep our sanity.

    Thank you Stephen Colbert.

  • “The difference between Colbert and Coulter is that there is an underlying meanness to Coulter’s words.”

    Cripes, that was the thing I was going to say. The exact phrasing, too. Her statements, you can see a certain loathing of others that you don’t see in Colbert, which are just a few steps short of sane in the first place. His statements are just inconceivably idiotic on purpose, whereas Coulter is not.

  • Some may believe Coulter is playing herself on TV but I think she means it. She is just a nasty person. Colbert is funny, and the world needs more funny. The world does not need any more nasty. I think the comparrison is not a good one. It is a sort of “apples and oranges” type of false analogy.

  • Actually Bill O’Lielly was on the Daily Show on Colbert’s premiere night. I recall he made some comments about they were trying to copy his routine.

  • #8

    PJ O’ Rourke. Rush Limabugh in the old days, early 90’s was quite humorous as well.

    South Park? King of the Hill?

  • Just wanted to let you know I got all the quotes right, you know why, b/c in Colbert’s you can tell that there is an attempt to be over the top facetious while on Coulter’s, you can tell that there is an attempt to validate a point, even if the quote itself is obviously ridiculous. I don’t think Ann plays a character, i think she’s a dangerous nutjob

  • #13
    Rush Limabugh in the old days, early 90’s was quite humorous as well.

    You’re right. Nobody could do an ugly-Chelsea riff or a Clinton blowjob joke like Rush. Those were the days, my friend….

    Right wing humor: the left just doesn’t get it.

  • PJ O’Rourke is actually quite funny, and so is South Park.

    Rush? Rush is not funny. He’s a slightly less unhinged version of Ann.

  • — except for the one about Rosa Parks, which I thought sounded insane enough to have come from her.

    That’s the one that got me too. It has just that “tinge” of evil to it and reminds me of righties’ rants on immigration (that she “broke the law”; end of argument).

  • @me, #13

    Are you calling South Park right wing humor? I always thought they were pretty apolitical. And King of the Hill? Didn’t they just make fun of ‘the base?’ And who thought it was funny, anyway?

  • Seven out of seven for me. Coulter’s quotes had a bit of a stench about them. It’s very sad that meanness passes for humor among the right.

  • The Rosa Parks one might have been Coulter, but if it had been it probably would have been nastier. As it stands, it doesn’t actually insult Parks personally or dehumanize her. Coulter would have attacked Parks for seeking attention, or something.

    Which is why it was clear to me it was Colbert. Well, that and I remember him saying it. 😉

  • Are you calling South Park right wing humor? I always thought they were pretty apolitical. And King of the Hill? Didn’t they just make fun of ‘the base?’ And who thought it was funny, anyway?

    I agree with both of these statements. South Park seems to lampoon both the left and the right. It might stand to reason that, if you’re on the left, you feel it pokes fun of the left; if you’re on the right, you might feel it pokes fun of the left (not a typo). ;o)

    King of the Hill, IMO, parodies middle America with a kind of loving sensitivity.

  • Lance: “I’m pretty sure that first show had O’Reilly ????”

    Wrong! All true Heroes know that Stephen’s first guest was Stone Phillips, who was also the first guest to make a second appearance.

  • King of the Hill, IMO, parodies middle America with a kind of loving sensitivity.

    Exactly. It loves its targets, rather than hating them, which in a lot of ways is the essence of good comedy. That, or the recognition that the person saying the mean things is in some ways either more ludicrious (Colbert), idiotic (Mencia), or both (Larry David) than the target of the humor. It’s a fine line, but there is something that separates out-and-out mean-spiritedness from pointed barbs at an audience/culture. It’s like Cedric the Entertainer’s lines about Rosa Parks in “Barbershop.” Only Jesse Jackson was too stupid to understand that those were gentle pokes in the ribs, and that the character saying the plainly dopey things was the biggest buffoon of all.

  • The function of the Coulters,’Reillys and Limbaughs, along with the right wing blogs, is that they make it socially acceptable to hate. When those who see themselves as falling behind on the American dream want to kick somebody, folks like Coulter supply the ammo and direct violence and hate at politically acceptable targets instead of directing their anger at the political and economic systems and forces that are really causing their undoing.

  • “Are you calling South Park right wing humor? I always thought they were pretty apolitical.” – Doubtful

    If you’ve seen “Team America” by the same guys, you’d see them ripping into the Hollywood Actor Liberal Attempts to Inject Themselves into Politics meme with avengence. Is South Park anti-liberal or anti-conservative? Both actually.

    “Wrong! All true Heroes know that Stephen’s first guest was Stone Phillips, who was also the first guest to make a second appearance.” – Grumpy

    And both times Phillips and Colbert had a Gravitas contest. It was amusing that Phillips could keep it together for his own headlines but kept breaking up over Colbert’s.

  • To mirror so many before me. Colbert’s character is caring, but dumb. That is pretty easily discernible from dumb and filled with hate. 7/7

  • Why is this even a debate? Unlike Colbert, Coulter has never claimed to be a comedian. She has been promoted and published as a serious right-wing idealist. It’s only when she gets called on her racist hate-filled bullsh*t that, suddenly, she becomes a parody.

    And I got 7 of 7. I knew that Rosa Parks bit was Stephen.

  • Man, that was hard. A few of them I could recall from The Colbert Report, so those were obvious. The rest were difficult to discern. Colbert and his writers are fantastic at capturing the essence of the over-the-top pundits from the right-wing.

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