Obama ’08 more and more likely

Up until very recently, I assumed talk of Sen. [tag]Barack Obama[/tag] (D-Ill.) running for [tag]president[/tag] was idle speculation. He wasn’t going to run — and that was that.

And then a close associate of Obama’s told Newsweek’s Jonathan Alter, “I’d put the chances [of a presidential campaign] right now at no better than 50 percent.” Since we’d been led to believe it was actually zero percent, 50% sounded pretty high.

[tag]Time[/tag]’s Joe Klein, who joined [tag]Obama[/tag] for some traveling recently and wrote this week’s cover-story on the senator, heard an even more provocative answer.

That he will eventually run, and win, is assumed by almost everyone who comes to watch him speak. In Davenport a local reporter asks the question directly: “Are you running for President in [tag]2008[/tag]?” Obama surprises me by saying he’s just thinking about the 2006 election right now, which, in the semiotic dance of presidential politics, is definitely not a no.

A few days later, I ask Obama the obvious follow-up question: Will he think about running for President in 2008 when the congressional election is over? “When the election is over and my book tour is done, I will think about how I can be most useful to the country and how I can reconcile that with being a good dad and a good husband,” he says carefully, and then adds, “I haven’t completely decided or unraveled that puzzle yet.”

I can appreciate the fact that Obama remains a somewhat controversial figure among the netroots — for the record, I remain a big fan — but it’s important to note that the senator’s interest in the 2008 race appears to be getting stronger. If he decides to move forward, it’s going to change the landscape considerably — Obama is one of only a handful of national figures who has the capacity “to toss the [2008] chessboard in the air.”

I should note, as long as we’re on the subject, that Ezra wrote a very good piece last week for the LA Times about why Obama should not run, at least not yet. Speaking as someone who would like to see Obama move forward with these burgeoning plans, I read the piece with some skepticism, but found it surprisingly persuasive.

There are, to be sure, ways Obama could prove his mettle, not to mention his priorities. He could, say, make universal healthcare coverage his public obsession or demand an end to the war in Iraq. He could fight for full public financing of all campaigns, or seek a national living wage.

But until then, if Obama gleams, Democrats have no way of knowing if it’s because he’s truly an action hero or because he’s refused to step out of his packaging. And until that question is answered, the hardened fighters they know are preferable to the attractive cipher they don’t.

Perhaps, but I’m still a sucker for the “audacity of hope.” For all the talk about Dems appealing to unaffiliated centrists by moving to the middle, Obama appeals to those same centrists by framing progressive beliefs in a more appealing ways. He inspires by making liberalism patriotic. He’s a presidential candidate who would be welcome everywhere, not just “blue” states.

There’s also the undeniable effect he has on people. From the Time piece:

[A]s we traveled that Saturday through downstate Illinois and then across the Mississippi into the mythic presidential-campaign state of Iowa, Obama seemed the political equivalent of a rainbow — a sudden preternatural event inspiring awe and ecstasy. Bill Gluba, a longtime Democratic activist who sells real estate on both sides of the river in the Quad Cities area, reminisced about driving Bobby Kennedy around Davenport, Iowa, on May 14, 1968. “I was just a teenaged kid,” he says. “But I’ll never forget the way people reacted to Kennedy. Never seen anything like it since — until this guy.”

There aren’t many people, on either side of the aisle, who make these kinds of impressions.

The idea that Obama can only run after he has amassed a resume of significant accomplishments on the national stage (matures out of his current status as “attractive cipher”) is pretty damned ludicrous when you look at the current occupant of the WH. I don’t have a favorite yet, but to quote the ancient philosopher Alus Davisius, “Just win, Baby.”

  • I don’t think Obama gets enough credit for his political savvy. He’s seen how others have been eliminated from races before they even start by unprincipled lies and vicious smear campaigns. So he plays it cool, keeps people guessing, flies under the radar a bit.

    And people on the left tear him down for not being overtly partisan enough to suit their personal tastes at this point in time. No wonder we’ve been losing so badly up to now. For all their manifest faults, you don’t see Republicans eat their own young like that. Unless you’re Ricky Santorum, but still.

    It takes a lot of courage and a lot of smarts to not let yourself be buffaloed by public opinion and play your cards close to the vest until the time is right. It makes me respect Obama even more, quite frankly, and I look forward to further word on the subject of his candidacy.

  • Our current occupant is the best reason why we don’t need any more “on the job training” for the president. He needs more than just charm to do the job.

  • STRIKE ONE: Joe Klein

    STRIKE TWO: Obama’s answer was unclear political-speak

    STRIKE THREE for 2004 (and in this century): Too many Americans are racially-intolerant.

    An Obama candidacy would be like driving an old exotic, fast sports car—lots fun around town, but unreliable to cross the heartland on a coast-to-coast trip.

    Ask me again in 10 to 15 years.

  • I mean no disrespect to Sen. Obama, whom I don’t know from in a hole in the wall. This is more my reaction to the cult of political celebritude.
    Every time somebody mentions Obama in ’08, I’m immediately reminded of the extremely old joke about the Hollywood starlet who ruined her career by actually appearing in a movie.

  • He will make a hell of a great Vice President under Clark.

    Assuming the Dems don’t self-destruct by (yet again) choosing a candidate (any N. Englander) who hasn’t a Dukakis-Kerry chance in hell of surviving the virulent anti-liberal swiftboating…

    Clark/Obama works for me.

    That’s the can’t miss ticket.

  • Kennedy and Clinton evoked the same feelings of charisma. If his heart is in the right place ojt is fine with me. Heck if he even has a heart he’d be fine with me.

    He’ll probably only get a shot at vice-president though. The rise of John Kerry over Dean in 2004 really taught me that the establishment types in the Democratic party still rule he roost.

  • I agree with Jim Strain (#1). I haven’t made up my mind (I’m partial or either Gore or Edwards or both), but having survived the Regal Moron and the Bush Crime Family this long would make even a fright-wigged anonymous hillbilly Foley reject look attractive. I’m not at all sure that the maturing-in-office approach does any more than corrupt an otherwise good candidate like Obama.

  • From what little I have seen of him, I have a positive impression. Comparing Obama to Bush is just wrong. The ONLY thing they have in common is a short track record in government. Obama versus Bush? Obama hands down! I want to have a beer with him and not only because he can get a quarter out of an overturned shot glass without touching the quarter but also because he is not a moron.

    I share Slip Kid’s reservations about the countrys’ (that would be USA and the rural part of the USA) willingness to elect someone named Barack Obama. I think the VA Senate race demonstrates that even if racism is not actively acted out it is still tolerated and being a racist is not an automatic political death sentence.

  • Obama talks a good game and fires up the base. But he has yet to win a serious political race. His last opponent was Alan Keyes — anyone can beat Alan Keyes.

    Putting aside talk of inexperience and lack of partisan fervor, Obama is simply untested. When the Republican machine pulls out all the stops in the last six weeks of the presidential race, how will he hold up?

  • I think it would be a shame to skip over Hillary and go with a younger person who is also male. It seems a little too corporate America ethically.

    I like Hillary for several reasons.
    1. She’s tough. Sure she’s worked with the Republicans but she knows from experience what rat-bastards they are and she won’t turn her back on them for a minute.
    2. It would piss off the religious right so much I’d love it.
    3. I’d like for her and Bill to be back in that White House pillow-talking about how to get back at those right wingers who made their lives so unpleasant. If you think Lyndon Johnson was a nutcracker, then you’ll love Bill and Hill each with a Republican testicle in hand squeezing. Squeezing.

  • The idea that Obama can only run after he has amassed a resume of significant accomplishments on the national stage (matures out of his current status as “attractive cipher”) is pretty damned ludicrous when you look at the current occupant of the WH.

    I don’t follow that logic. If the Bush presidency were worth a shit then it might be ludicrous to ask for a more accomplished resume. But the failure of a guy like Bush proves beyond all doubt that the president needs to be a person who has demonstrated competence and achievement first.

    I agree that a flake can get elected. Maybe that’s what Jim Strain means. But a flake can’t govern. Let’s make sure we don’t get another one. The resume should always be an important part of the job interview.

  • Obama would be the Edwards of 2008.

    Anyone remember Edwards? Senator in his first term. Attractive, interesting speaking points. Energetic. Not the usual pol.

    Obama could do better in 2008. Hell, Edwards could have won in 2004 for all I know. He was certainly a better choice for President than the man who ended up in the White House and that guy had been there for four years already.

    But it seems to me that there is a parallel.

    Someone mentioned Keyes. Keyes claimed that Obama wasn’t a “real African-American” because his ancestors were not American slaves. Interesting destinction he draws there. But in the end, Obama is mixed race, and of a rather different heritage than most African-Americans. That might not help down South where the racism of the KKK is rooted in false beliefs about the actual humanity of Blacks, in the MidWest where the racism I saw in my mother’s generation seemed to be based more on a conceit that the sharecroppers had moved north and taken their jobs, a person with Obama’s background might be found acceptable.

    Since I would not lie to a pollster and tell him I’d vote for Obama, than vote against him in the booth, I really can’t predict the reactions of others. If he wins the nomination (Hillary too) he is pretty sure to get my vote. For the rest of America, let them look to their hearts.

  • To clarify my earlier (#1) comment:
    Just because Obama’s government track record may be slim, as Bush’s was/is, that does not mean that Obama = Bush. Hell, I was always lousy at math, but even I can figure that one out. My mechanic (who at least is honest) would be a better choice for President than George W. Bush — or any of his putative successors. And by the way, it wasn’t Bush’s lack of experience that made him a bad President; otherwise he might have improved with time.

  • There was an article a few months ago which stated that Obama’s Senate mentor has been Lieberman. For someone who is basically a blank slate, that information scares me. Democrats could do worse, but there is no way I would support Obama’s candidacy unless he is the last Democrat standing.

  • He’s attacked Democrats for being weak on national security and for not being religious enough in front of a group of ‘born-agains’. He’s just another Joe Lieberman in my book. I don’t want him.

  • I saw him speak at a fund raiser here in RI last week. He spoke very well, and we all left the fundraiser talking about 2012 or 2016. He’s been awful busy piling up the chits recently.

    I’d need to know more about the people he plans to have around him. Right now Edwards tops my list….

  • I am tired of glib but inexperienced people doing important jobs. If the Dems are ever going to be credible they have to raise the bar. We have had enough flim flam. The Dems are going to have to be competent, not flashy. Obama will have to show me quite a bit more to let me think he should be mentioned in the same breath as Hillary Clinton or Al Gore. The president’s job is serious and we need the most serious and thinking person we can get to do it.

  • As a resident of Illinois, I say that Obama should be the next President of the United States.

    It’s especially encouraging that conservative talk radio in Chicago was already attacking him as a candidate. He must be doing something right to get on their wrong side. Better yet, they were comparing his leadership style to Clinton’s, as if that were a bad thing.

  • I’m with #2: Obama is wilier than he looks. And he has way more charisma than anyone out there. I would reject any comparisons with Edwards because Obama effortlessly projects intelligence and judiciousness. People get *excited* about him in a way they haven’t for any Democrat in years, possibly since RFK. I think he could win big.

    Disclosure/bragging: I went to college with Obama and knew him, though not well–I didn’t know his last name. He never struck me as a political type then and I was flabbergasted when a classmate told me that “Berry” and Barack Obama were the same person.

  • I’m not at all sure that the maturing-in-office approach does any more than corrupt an otherwise good candidate like Obama.
    Comment by Ed Stephan

    Yeah it’s like a young boxer. You bring him along. Don’t throw him in over his head so that he gets self-doubt.

    On the other hand, the presidency is like the Olympics. You only get a shot every 4 years.

  • Only a shot every 4 years, and *if* we should manage to elect a different D in 4 years, any other candidate is unlikely to get another shot for 8 more years.

    Obama is way more electable than Hillary (who might be a fine president but arouses too much hatred from the right) , and I like him a lot, but I’m not convinced that ‘the audacity of hope’ will trump a shortage of executive experience. I feel a little more secure about Gore or Wes Clark. (I would be happy to be proven wrong.)

  • I fail to understand the posts that fault Obama for his lack of experience but support Clark. Yes, being a general is important, challenging, etc. But it is not elected public office. The politics (both campaign and governing) are vastly different from what a general experiences. Eisenhower is widely considered to have been a better general than President.

    Frankly, while there are many things I like about many of the possible Dem candidates, we really do have a bit of a situation where our most experienced and seasoned candidates all have immense baggage (Clinton, Kerry, Gore) and our most promising candidates have little governing experience (Obama, Edwards). Which may be why I have been interested in the few that seem to fall in the middle (Richardson, the now withdrawn Warner).

  • I live in Illinois and know Sen. Barack Obama. I am a democrat and support him. But listen to what the man says and does.

    He is a two time Ivy grad. He does not impress me. He won’t get far.

    Shalom,
    —Prof. Leland Milton Goldblatt, Ph.D. ®
    Reverend Chancellor Leland Milton Goldblatt Ph.D. ED.D. M.F.A, D.Div.
    M.Theo . Copyright © 2006

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    “…this must have been done by Nazis, Soviets in their gulags, or some mad regime—Pol Pot… This was the action of Americans…” Sen. Durtbin (D) Illinois

    Neoconservatives are anything but conservative and are merely yesterday’s communists and fascists, recycled.

    We can hope that Americans recognize that more than one terrorist seeks to destroy America and that the most dangerous terrorist of all lives at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue.

  • I do want Obama as Prex… But not in 2yrs time. Charisma, by itself, is not enough any more than cowboy boots are. I still remember Poland’s Lech Walesa and the disaster he brought into the just-emerging (re-emerging) democracy. Obama’s not as supid as Walesa was but he is *young*. There’s plenty of time for him to train — as a Senator and then as a VP — for the supreme position.

    That said… I’ll vote for the Democratic ticket in ’08, no matter who’s running. But, I’d hate like hell to have a Clinton/Obama ticket which, while ambitious, is a total loss from the word “go”. Absolutely against the reality-based common sense… 🙂

  • “Which may be why I have been interested in the few that seem to fall in the middle (Richardson, the now withdrawn Warner).” – Zeitgeist

    Warner had one term as Governor of Virginia. You think a one term Senator doesn’t beat that?

    Richardson has some real experience, and it doesn’t hurt that he’s a hispanic with a Anglo surname 😉

    I don’t think Gore has any real baggage. Just distortions from the anti-enviromentalists, who are getting weaker as they get richer.

  • We’ll know later on today….Oprah’s got him on her show. Everybody tells the big O what she wants to know.

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