Obama’s ‘mistake’ on terrorism

At last week’s Democratic presidential debate, Barack Obama fielded a question about responding to a terrorist attack. The response struck me as reasonable at the time, and hardly worth scrutinizing, but since it got some attention on some of yesterday’s morning shows, let’s explore it a moment.

Brian Williams asked Obama how he would “change the U.S. military stance overseas as a result” of an al Qaeda attack in two American cities. Obama emphasized the importance of an “effective emergency response,” stressed the importance of acting on reliable intelligence, and talked about coordinating with the international community because “we’re not going to defeat terrorists on our own.”

None of it sounded particularly mamby-pamby. “We have genuine enemies out there that have to be hunted down,” Obama added. “Networks have to be dismantled. There is no contradiction between us intelligently using our military, and in some cases lethal force, to take out terrorists, and at the same time building the sort of alliances and trust around the world that has been so lacking over the last six years.”

Taking notes during the debate, I didn’t even think to write any of this down. It sounded pretty routine. Apparently, though, it’s become a bit of a flap.

At issue is whether Obama mishandled a question about how he would respond if two American cities were attacked by terrorists: Did he fail to demonstrate the toughness and resolve that voters want in a president or was his answer a careful and comprehensive checklist for any potential president dealing with an international crisis?

The Clinton campaign seized on what happened, claiming, without mentioning Obama, that “Hillary was the candidate who demonstrated that she would know how to respond if the country was attacked.” An Obama spokesman dismissed the Clinton camp’s press release as “a sign of nervousness.”

Apparently, this has become some kind of “toughness” test?

After Obama, Edwards responded to the same question by saying, “The first thing I would do is be certain I knew who was responsible, and I would act swiftly and strongly to hold them responsible for that.” Clinton citing her experience as a senator from New York during the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, said, “I think a president must move as swiftly as is prudent to retaliate. If we are attacked, and we can determine who is behind that attack, and if there are nations that supported or gave material aid to those who attacked us, I believe we should quickly respond.” Richardson wasn’t even asked the question, but nevertheless said, “I would respond militarily, aggressively.”

So, if I understand the scuttlebutt properly, Obama’s response wasn’t “aggressive” enough. George Stephanopoulos said yesterday, “Senator Clinton’s team and the other candidates have been making a lot of the fact that when Senator Obama was asked the what would you do if al Qaeda attacked two US cities, in his first response he didn’t say the US would respond militarily. He fixed it later. But that was not his instinct. They say that was very telling.” Fareed Zakaria added that Obama “didn’t do exactly what you’re supposed to do in these situations,” which is repeat the “sound bites and the buttons you’re meant to press.”

All of this strikes me as terribly silly. If we showed Obama’s response to 1,000 Americans, how many would find it objectionable (or even remotely controversial)? 10? It’s not as if Obama said he wouldn’t retaliate against a terrorist strike; he said he’d do so prudently. Isn’t that a good thing?

Sure, I don’t doubt there’s a segment of the population that takes the “kill the bastards now” approach, but even they should remember that Bush didn’t go after Afghanistan immediately after 9/11; he waited a month.

Obviously the first instinct to getting hit is hitting back, but Obama’s answer seemed to be “hit back smart.” Why is this even remotely controversial?

It’s my sincere hope that this has become a mini-flap only because the debate was relatively uneventful and the pundits need something to talk about.

As Hillary tacks to the “center,” she will lose more of the Dem base. She seems to be listening to the Mark Penns and Doug Schoens, and finding a few friends in the MSM. Playing for Lieberman’s endorsement?
Not so smart if you’re trying to win a primary among actual Dems, rather than the DC commentariat and consultants in their mansions in Arlington.

  • Obama’s answer seemed to be “hit back smart.” Why is this even remotely controversial?

    Because a) Hillary desperately needs some daylight between herself and Obama, and b) the media wants a horserace and they will do whatever it takes to make one.

    Her camp sees the trend, and they don’t like where it’s heading. After enough people see Obama speak and become comfortable with the new face, the old face (Hillary’s) will look less and less appealing, especially given the right wing’s obsession with tearing her down, an obsession that has even poisoned the mind of many liberals about Hillary’s policies.

    Note that I am no huge fan of Hillary, but I would support her if she was the nominee.

  • This is similar to the “What would you do if you caught a rapist in the act violating your family” question that was used against Dukakis 1988. It’s an idiotic hypothetical meant to elicit a chest beating response, and it gets used against Democrats as a way of questioning their “manhood” if they fail to give a visceral enough reply.

    The main mistake is in treating the question as if it is serious.

  • Why are the Dems wanting to race to the bottom? They shouldn’t be trying to be more Bush-like and promising to rush into another war without considering the consequences. I think there are plenty of other voters who would agree that this nation should stay clear of another knee-jerk, idiotic hawk that will blindly use military force. That’s scary. And this makes Hillary seem like the unhinged candidate in comparison.

  • Why is this even remotely controversial?

    The correct answer is, apparently, “I would bomb the crap out of somebody with oil.”

  • The only acceptable answer to the US being attacked is to lash out indescriminately and bomb someone back to the stoneage. It matters not if they are responsible. Red-meat eating NASCAR people want to see someone who looks different than them “blowed up”! Then climb the rubble with a bull horn and smack-talk. End of story.

    Obama, of couse, gave a reasoned appropriate answer. He could have framed it a little better, a little more agressively. My guess is that he pleased the DEM base with his answer.

    Nothing to see here, move along.

    I do have one question for the instant millitary response people. If you can determine who to bomb so quickly, why did you allow someone to successfully attack two US cities?

    Maybe that is a better answer. “Under my presidency, we will not allow an attack on US soil.”

  • The anser that Barack gave moved him up a step in my esteem. I like the concept of a well-thought-out response.

    I don’t think that bombing Afghanistan farther back into the stone age and making the rubble bounce in Kabul was in fact the best response to 9/11, so I’d have been much happier with an administration that took the time to consider a diplomatic isolation of Al Qaida followed by a more surgical (and more accurate) military containment and either annihilation or capture of the training camps and their personnel. That we allowed Bin Ladin to escape speaks poorly of either Bush’s plans or their execution.

  • This feels very much like campaign insiders desperately trying to distinguish themselves from their rivals, and inventing issues for that purpose.

    Do we have data that says that Democratic or other voters are primarily concerned with the ‘toughness’ of the candidates approach to ‘terrists’? After years of a regime that’s main claim is being tough, and which is currently mired in using the military to solve political and economic problems, I’d actually prefer a candidate who’s first response wasn’t military. Not that I read Obama’s response that way.

    Trying to compete on ‘toughness’ seems like last election’s frame to me. I think voters would like honest, creative and smart, because just ‘tough’ hasn’t worked so well.

  • I have to agree with biggerbox here. While a portion of the population may be concerned with being “tough on terror,” I’d assume that the majority of Americans are looking for something new. They don’t want hard headed politics and shrink wrapped talking points. Americans want honesty and integrity from a leader who is willing to admit to, and learn from the mistakes of the past.

  • Obama wants intelligence.
    Heaven forbid.

    Does he want to wait for a mushroom cloud over a US city before we invade Iran?

    Is Clinton planning to keep Condi Rice on as Secretary of State? Her response suggest that their philosophies dovetail nicely.

  • Clinton citing her experience as a senator from New York during the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, said, “I think a president must move as swiftly as is prudent to retaliate. If we are attacked, and we can determine who is behind that attack, and if there are nations that supported or gave material aid to those who attacked us, I believe we should quickly respond.”

    What a rediculous answer. Unlike 2001, we don’t the luxury of international pariah states with demonstrated links to Al Quaeda like Afghanistan or pretend links such as Iraq. So who do we go after – Pakistan? Saudi Arabia? RIght. I can see that happening.

  • So when do we start calling Hillary and those others “Old Blood and Guts”? Obama has the power to reason as well as bludgeon people with an iron club. What a refreshing change.

  • Just so you know, CB, if I ever don’t comment on one of your posts, you shouldn’t assume that I don’t agree with you. Usually I don’t comment when I have nothing to add, and that’s just about the case here:

    The Clinton campaign seized on what happened, claiming, without mentioning Obama, that “Hillary was the candidate who demonstrated that she would know how to respond if the country was attacked.” An Obama spokesman dismissed the Clinton camp’s press release as “a sign of nervousness.”

    I saw Mathews talking to a Clinton campaign guy shortly after the debate and totally believed his line that her campaign just thought that what she responded souned good and so they were emphasizing it subsequently.

    I don’t see why any of this should make me change my opinion on that.

    Sure, I don’t doubt there’s a segment of the population that takes the “kill the bastards now” approach, but even they should remember that Bush didn’t go after Afghanistan immediately after 9/11; he waited a month.

    Obviously the first instinct to getting hit is hitting back, but Obama’s answer seemed to be “hit back smart.” Why is this even remotely controversial?

    It’s just because he’s Obama; it’s just because he’s a black guy. If it were any Republican who said this it wouldn’t matter. If it was a totally blind test, if you showed the statement to any voter and asked what the voter’s opinion of it was without telling the voter who said it or the voter’s having any idea why you were asking (that is, because the Democrats had just talked about these kinds of things in a debate), no voter would have a problem with it.

  • No one, but no one will ever get my vote by macho posturing about how aggressive they will be.

  • Further proof that Hillary Clinton will never get my vote – not in a primary and not in the general.

    Like Eugene Debs once said: “It’s better to vote for what you want, and not get it, than to vote for what you don’t want and get it.”

  • Your favoritism is showing.

    Look, Obama said nothing wrong, but Clinton and Edwards did provide better answers.

    It’s a non-issue in that it’s a ridiculous question to begin with, but his was the weakest answer of the three.

  • It’s difficult to escape the power of the pundits and the MSM, but candidates should be chary of wilting and bending to their sway. MSM does not represent popular American feeling and opinion, nor is it entirely instrumental in shaping it.

    What America needs most now is integrity and honesty. Honesty’s a bitch, and a goddess. She imprisons and she liberates. And the truth she most seeks is the deepest and hardest — the inner truth. Looking on from the wings, it would appear that Obama has tapped more of that inner, deeper truth than any of the others.

    He should not lose that. It would be a big loss to America and the world. Not only did what he say not sound “particularly mamby-pamby”, it actually sounded fresh, responsible and incisive: exactly what is needed. Truly, he’s got what it takes.

    The shallow, glitzy, fawning, narcissistic MSM, gazing hypnotized like ugly sisters into their mirrors, are no judge or measure of worth on the world stage, though they may presume to accord themselves such prerogative. Tough as it is, candidates of truth and integrity should stand firm outside and beyond the reach and influence of sycophants and moguls. The time is long overdue for decency and integrity in American politics and conduct. It certainly won’t come through the bending and pandering to outmoded barbarity and ignorance.

    There’s one point I’d have prefixed to Obama’s response. If I was an American, I would want to know why people hate us, resent us or want to attack us. Nobody ever seems to look at that question. You know, I think it might help, Mother of Scuttlebutts or not.

  • This is going to be unpopular, but Obama’s lack of ACTION in his answer is what does make him sound a little mamby-pamby.

    He’s answering the question intellectually, forgetting that if (when?) this happens again, it’s not an intellectual act. It required action. Well thought out and 180 degrees from knee-jerk, for sure, but action nonetheless. To me, that’s what his answer lacked.

  • #19

    Knowing “why” people hate us isn’t going to change a damn thing. And, by the by, that question has been looked at for decades. Are you willing to change the structure of the US just so people won’t hate you?

    Silly.

  • Answer to whatthewhatthewhat.

    No, but you might change the way you behave around the world. Not everyone buys into the American Dream. Seeing yourself as others see you might go a long way to healing some of your brutality.

    Because you are aware of defects in others doesn’t mean that you have no defects yourself. At the same time that you protect yourselves from other’s defects, you can, and should, simultaneously attend to your own defects.

    That’s not silly — that’s wise.

  • This is precisely the problem with starting the 2008 campaign so early. The candidates are biting each other already, and by the time the election rolls around they’ll be ragged and scruffy. My advice to them all: knock it off. It’s too soon.

  • Petorado is dead on.
    If Dems race to the bottom, they are left with the obvious question of why they wouldn’t just vote for Guiliani.
    Do the Dems really want a candidate that represents “Bush Lite”? I doubt it. The thing that is missing from American foriegn policy right now is precisely that measured calculation and not the knee jerk tendency to attack. Americans have had enough of that kind of talk. We are creating more and more enemies around the world with this approach.
    The other part of the equation is that it may not work. Clinton is losing the left of her party to Edwards and Obama. Obama is picking up more and more support from the independents. This can quickly give her no place to go… except in bed with the moderate Republicans. Hmmm. Think she wants that?

  • So, if I understand the scuttlebutt properly, Obama’s response wasn’t “aggressive” enough. — CB

    An acquaintance of mine complained recently that “Greed” is hardly ever mentioned as a “Bad Thing”, even though it’s a cardinal (deadly) sin. Having been raised as an atheist, I had to check those sins out but, when I did, it struck me that, with the exception of the first one — Lust — *none* of them are considered sins any more:
    Gluttony? Supersize portions everywhere say it’s a “Good Thing”.
    Sloth? Nobody copmplained when 109 reduced its workweek to 3 days.
    Wrath? You’re a wimp if you don’t bomb first and ask questions later.
    Envy? Keep up with the Joneses, to sustain economy.
    Pride? Practically a prerequisite to being a “good American”

    I guess Hillary’s faith is weaker than Obama’s; he seems to understand the dangers of mindless Wrath… 🙂

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