Webb calls out McCain on GI Bill: ‘He’s so full of it’

A couple of weeks ago, John McCain talked about the importance of increasing the size of the U.S. military. To entice more volunteers, he said, the government should focus on incentives: “[O]ne of the things we ought to do is provide [the troops with] significant educational benefits in return for serving.”

A few days later, McCain announced that he’ll oppose a bipartisan measure to renew and expand the GI Bill for a new generation of veterans.

Sen. Jim Webb (D-Va.), the leading proponent of the modernized GI Bill, is calling McCain out and creating an interesting battle.

From Annapolis to Vietnam and back to the Pentagon, John McCain and Jim Webb trod the same paths before coming to the Senate. Iraq divides them today, but there’s also the new kinship of being anxious fathers watching their sons come and go with Marine units in the war.

So what does it say about Washington that two such men, with so much in common, are locked in an increasingly intense debate over a shared value: education benefits for veterans?

“It’s very odd,” said former Nebraska Democratic Sen. Bob Kerrey, a mutual friend. And that oddness gets greater by the day as the two headstrong senators barrel down colliding tracks.

An Arizona Republican, McCain has all but locked up the Republican presidential nomination and is preparing for a fall campaign in which his support of the Iraq war is sure to be a major issue. Yet the former Navy pilot and Vietnam POW makes himself a target by refusing to endorse Webb’s new GI education bill and instead signing on to a Republican alternative that focuses more on career soldiers than on the great majority who leave after their first four years.

McCain concedes he hasn’t tended to his day job in a while, but said his Senate office staff told him that Webb “has not been eager to negotiate.”

“He’s so full of it,” Webb said in response. “I have personally talked to John three times. I made a personal call to [McCain aide] Mark Salter months ago asking that they look at this.”

For Webb, this seems to have far less to do with campaign politics, and far more to do with a deep desire to get a bill through the chamber: “I don’t want this to become a political issue. I want to get a bill done.”

McCain’s obstinacy is in the way, and Webb does not suffer fools kindly.

I’ve mentioned this before, but McCain’s explanation for opposing the bipartisan bill is a complete mess. “[Webb’s] bill offers the same benefits whether you stay three years or longer,” McCain said. “We want to have a sliding scale to increase retention.”

The “retention” argument is pretty straightforward: if the government makes it easier for troops to go to college, more troops would want to leave military service and take advantage of their educational benefits.

A few weeks ago, Wesley Clark and Jon Soltz explained why this is nonsense.

First, it is morally reprehensible to fix the system so that civilian life is unappealing to service members, in an attempt to force them to re-up. Education assistance is not a handout, it is a sacred promise that we have made for generations in return for service.

Second, falling military recruitment numbers are just as serious as retention problems. To send the message that this nation will not help you make the most of your life will dissuade a large number of our best and brightest from choosing military service over other career options.

This week, former Senate Armed Services Committee Chairman John Warner (R-Va.) added, “I think this argument that it’s going to hurt retention is very thin and tenuous, very thin and tenuous. The flip side of that is, putting a big piece of cheese out there will induce more qualified people to join just to get this. It should be a tremendous incentive for recruitment.”

This should be a no-brainer. The GI Bill was instrumental in helping send a generation of U.S. veterans to college and helping create the nation’s post-WWII middle class, but the law has not kept up with the times. Whereas veterans used to be able to count on the government to pay for all of their college expenses, troops returning from Iraq and Afghanistan are finding that the GI Bill barely scratches the surface of today’s college costs.

Webb (D-Va.) and Chuck Hagel (R-Neb.) unveiled a GI Bill modernization bill over a year ago, which would increase troop benefits to pay for their education. From a patriotic perspective, this is showing real support for the troops. From a military perspective, it might make recruiting easier if young people know they can go to college after their service for free. From an economic perspective, the country benefits when thousands of educated young people enter the workforce with degrees, as opposed to the alternative. (Even Joe Lieberman supports the bill, and he never wavers from Bush’s position on matters relating to the military.)

And yet, there’s John McCain. Typical.

I grew up in a small rural town, and almost all of my male friends went into the military. They did it because there was very little in the way of economic opportunity in the area and they all felt it was the only way to get money for college. They put in their service in the Gulf war, left the military and built productive civilian lives out of their GI benefits.

If those benefits aren’t available to the men and women leaving the military now, it will create one more obstacle to returning to civilian life and dealing with the stress of having been in the war. SHAME ON MCCAIN!!!!

  • You see, this is why you can’t have Jim Webb for Vice President. He’s doing great work where he is.

  • Well, this is the government at work.
    And John McCain is a conservative in the Reagan mold, and Reagan said that government is not the solution, govenment is the problem. So how can McCain vote to create more problems? It doesn’t make any sense!
    That is, if you are a shit-for-brains Republican, it doen’t make any sense.

  • The economy is better off with more people with college degrees. Children are better off when their parents have degrees. Colleges are more effective when significant numbers of students have discipline, maturity and world experience. As a society we are better off when the military is a step rather than a career choice for most. And to deny this opportunity to people who have served multiple tours is absolutely indefensible.

  • It is incomprehensible that John McCain or any veteran would oppose such a bill, especially for the reasons he gives. The most telling thing about his explaination is that he shows his lack of the ability to think a problem through to the end. Just like George W Bush, he lacks the superior intellect needed to do a rigorous and demanding job like being the leader of the free world. We are toast if he wins.

  • 2. On April 30th, 2008 at 1:39 pm, Lance said:
    You see, this is why you can’t have Jim Webb for Vice President. He’s doing great work where he is.
    ————————————————
    yeah, I understand what you mean and we all know the VP job is not “worth a warm bucket of spit”(apologies to John Nance Garner)…but think how Cheney has “modified” the job…maybe it would keep Webb busy. Just sayin’

  • “Education assistance is not a handout, it is a sacred promise that we have made for generations in return for service.”

    McCain stance is just oh so typical of modern day Republicanism — reneging on any social contract government has with civilians and only maintaining government promises to business. Republicans could justify their close relationship with business if there was a direct benefit to this nation, but the ways Republicans cater to the business community has more to do with helping out their buddies and personally enriching themselves.

    It is stunning to see McCain’s response to this. Military personnel who give up some of the best years of their lives to learn tasks that have no translation into mainstream society deserve to learn skills other than how to killing people and cleaning weapons.

  • I understand the reluctance to take Webb out of the Senate, but if the Dems don’t find ways to promote this guy’s career, they’re nuts and deserve to lose elections. He’s one of the most effective spokespersons we have against the GOP madness.

  • Well true, but US Senator is a pretty good “glass ceiling” dontcha think? Plus he can stay in the Senate forever, but would be limited to the much less powerful VP slot for no more than 8 years.

    He would be a good choice, but I’m fairly persuaded by those who like him where he is.

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  • DebbyeOh said: “yeah, I understand what you mean and we all know the VP job is not “worth a warm bucket of spit”(apologies to John Nance Garner)…but think how Cheney has “modified” the job…maybe it would keep Webb busy. Just sayin’”

    Not to imply any kind of actually semblence of eviliness, but if you are looking for a candidate to best take of the Office of Vice President as concoted by Dick Cheney and acquised to by Boy George II, I’d say Hillary Clinton.

    Brrrr!

    I’m not saying Hillary is as bad as Cheney (though I know lots of people here will say she is). I’m just saying that if you are going to have a OVP that spends its time reviewing Executive decisions and arguing to get them back on track (in this case to a center-left path) then I can’t imagine a more capable person then Hillary, Policy Wonkette extraordinaire.

  • Speaking from my experience, the GI was instrumental in my decision to serve.
    Almost everyone in my age bracket, 18-22, that I served with, was there to go to college after enlistment. People planning on attending college are great soldiers/sailers because we are somewhat intelligent and we aren’t going to do anything to jeopardize our benefits, like get an other then honorable discharge. It is a won/win for everyone.

    Plus of course it’s not free, you have to ‘donate’ into the program. In 1998 I believe it was $100/mth for 12 months, non-refundable. Then benefits in 1992 were $410/mth for 36 mths. My educated guess is that each person to use the current system cost the government $5K. Now considering I never broke $10k, that isn’t really much out of pockets for them.

    McCain’s GI Bill = Divorce poor wife and find rich one to pay for a run to the Senate.

  • Need to look at the rest of Webb’s voting record. The GIs are his focus. I don’t think he’d make a good VP. It would be wasted on Webb. He’s best where he is. A good VP in todays world should be one good at energy policy and environmental issues and trade policies. We don’t need another military focused VP.

    McCain doesn’t support the troops, he supports those who tell the troops what to do and they ain’t the military.

  • Is it not a hollow chant to hear the conservtives strut about suporting our troops when in reality they are saying support the war and the hole we have dug our troops and nation into ? Shame on them for seemingly giving lip service to our men and women who make sacrifices everyday in the name of love of country .
    My Son is in the Navy ,my Son in Law is a Captain in the Army on his fifth tour of duty in Afganistan .Lets show our gratitude and support the GI bill .

  • I spent 8 years in the Army from 70-78 and would have stayed longer if I hadn’t had a medical problem that meant I HAD to get out. I used the GI Bill to partially support me while I went to Nursing School and got my RN. I had been an Extended Duties Dental Assistant in the Army and had been sent for many courses including all my science classes at U of MD. I never would have been able to afford Nursing school. I worked in a nursing school 32 hours a week in addition to get medical insurance but without the GI Bill I never would have become an RN. No one stays in or gets out just because of the GI benefits and that is a crap reason for not supporting the troops Sen. McCain.

  • Webb is an excellent pit bull in support of all the issues related to the military and I-wreck. I think his tenacity can be, in part, connected to his Repub past, and it’s a good thing, since some of the Dems in the Senatge *need* an emergency injection of spine and nuts. He’s good role model in that regard.

    But. Almost everywhere else (like “fixin’ FISA”, for example), the hem of his Repub past is definitely showing (though it’s the old-fashioned Republicanism; the guy is honest and principled — something no longer much in fashion among the current crop of Repubs) and it’s not such a good thing at all. I’m hoping that, when he gets teamed up in the Senate with Warner (Mark) instead of Warner (John) next cycle, he’ll fit into a Dem mould a bit better. I agree with Lance (for once): leave him be where he is — where he’s doing the most good.

    Besides… He’s such an independent loose-cannon, *nobody* — not Obama and not either Clinton — could constrain him enough to make him toe the official, presidential line… 🙂 I love the guy to pieces, but he’d be worse than Cheney, if in entirely different ways.

  • libra said: “I agree with Lance (for once).”

    Come on libra, you’ve agreed with me more than once, and not just about Jim Webb.

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